August 17

64: Ella Fisher, Upcoming USA Lead Climber

Ella is a lead climber on team USA who made her first world series finals earlier this year in Prague! In this episode, we’ll learn about how she climbs the same lead routes all year round to train in Arizona, why she doesn’t want to move to Salt Lake City despite that, how a simple vitamin deficiency wrecked her body for a whole year, and how she went from placing 40th in world cups to making semis and finals in 1 year.


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Timestamps

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0:00 - Intro

1:42 - Mad Rock Shoutout!!

2:33 - Preparing for Koper

10:36 - Starting climbing at 3

14:03 - Getting coached by her dad

20:09 - Fitness is all that matters for lead?

24:42 - Why she doesn’t want to move to SLC

30:14 - Beta video before lead quails!!!

34:36 - Seeing a dyno in a lead route

35:58 - First WS finals experience

41:33 - 40th place to making finals in 1 year

44:38 - Training routine

49:52 - Ella LOVES autobelays!

57:13 - Youth climbers don’t need to hang board

59:41 - A year of health issues

1:10:08 - Upcoming goals

1:13:25 - Balancing training with coaching and college

1:19:40 - AUDIENCE Q: How do you deal with pressure?

1:21:46 - AUDIENCE Q: Do you do fantasy climbing league?

1:22:58 - AUDIENCE Q: Would you ever go back to Schwandorf?

1:29:33 - Where to find Ella

Full Transcript

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I don't get a lot of practice on the holds that

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they set with. A lot of times this season, it's

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been my first time ever grabbing certain holds.

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I'm like, let me just go and see what it feels

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like. I think that there's some people that being

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around a lot of strong people, it makes them

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more motivated and it makes them want to push

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themselves a lot harder. For me, I just feel

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like every training is stressful. Everything...

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Feels like a competition. There was a period

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of my life where basically every time I ate,

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like I would feel so, so sick. And so I did have

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like basically two years where I wasn't able

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to train like how I wanted to. That's like traveling,

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man. You think like, oh, it's so fun. You're

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like getting to go to all these places and then

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you're in Schwandorf. Welcome to another episode

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of the That's Not Real Climbing podcast. I'm

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your host, Jinni, and I'm excited to introduce

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my guest for today, Ella Fisher. Ella is a lead

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climber on Team USA who made her first World

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Series finals earlier this year in Prague. In

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this episode, we'll learn about how she climbs

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the same lead routes all year round to train

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in Arizona, why she doesn't want to move to Salt

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Lake City despite that, how a simple vitamin

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deficiency wrecked her body for a whole year,

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and how she went from placing 40th in World Cups

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to making semis and finals in just one year.

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Now back to the show. How are you doing today?

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Are you like preparing for any competitions coming

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up? We're getting ready to leave for Coper. in,

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I want to say two weeks. Okay. Yeah. It's crazy.

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It's like the season's flying by. Kind of, but

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as like a viewer, it's been kind of dead for

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the past, I feel like month or so. Yeah, that's

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fair. How has your season been so far? You had

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a really strong start. I think it's been really

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fun. I don't know. This is my first like full

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season. So it's definitely like, I think there's

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a little bit of a learning curve, just like.

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Getting used to being away from home for so long

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and I don't know, just like so much competing.

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It's there's not many breaks. Well, like the

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European leg, it's like every week it feels like

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there's more stress and more competing. And I've

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never really done so many comps in a row before.

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Yeah. How many like back to back was it? I'm

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trying to see. I mean, it wasn't even like. The

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Boulders had three weekends in a row. Exactly.

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I remember that. It's crazy. But we we had like,

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I don't know, I want to say a week and a half

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in between Prague and Innsbruck and then two

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and a half weeks between Innsbruck and Chamonix.

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So like it doesn't seem like it's that wouldn't

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seem like it'd be that crazy. But just I feel

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like you get used to doing a comp and then you

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can. you have like a month or something in between,

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just if you're doing the regular USAC season,

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even in youth. So it's like, I do think it feels

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a little bit different. There's almost like no

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time to process what you just did because you're

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like, okay, I'm on to the next thing, which is

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a little bit different. Yeah, I mean, like what

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happens in those breaks for like a week and a

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half, two and a half? Are you just like thinking

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about the next comp the whole time so you kind

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of can't like turn off? Kind of. It's sort of

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just like, what can I do to get myself prepared

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for the next one? So regardless of whether you

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do well or you don't do well, it's like kind

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of just have to leave it in the past and like

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move on and get back in training. Try to refocus.

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Well, I guess there's like not much training

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you can do in two weeks. Yeah. I think it's just

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like trying to maintain your level, which is

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a little bit tricky, I would say. I think, I

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don't know, sometimes I am jealous of the Europeans

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because they're able to go home. Oh, for sure.

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And then we're just over there and we're like,

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you've been here for seven weeks. Oh, God. And

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it's just like getting used to being somewhere

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else. I don't know. Like it is a lot of fun,

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but you're just not used to the gyms. It's like

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things just feel different. And so then like

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trying to maintain your same endurance level

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and strength level is like just a little bit

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tricky, I think. I guess I get the concept that.

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like Americans and I guess probably anyone from

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Asia as well as staying there for an extended

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period of time but even just like traveling I

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hate living out of a suitcase for like a long

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time so that's actually kind of rough yeah I

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don't even know like if I would say it's an advantage

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I think it's just different like I think it just

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it does take time to get used to being away from

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home for so long especially I don't know I feel

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like I'm someone that really relies on like a

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schedule and like knowing what I'm doing every

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day and like things going exactly how I planned

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them to go. And so I do think, I don't know,

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just being in Europe for that long, like I really

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had to challenge my normal mindset because it's

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like things just aren't the same. And that's

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not a bad thing, but it's just like getting used

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to it. And you said last year you didn't do like

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a full season. So what was last year like compared

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to this year? Last year, I was on the development

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team. So it was sort of just like waiting to

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see if people would decline the comp so that

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I could go. So I ended up going to China and

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then Innsbruck and Coper for lead. And so I did

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have pretty big gaps in between the comps. So

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it did feel a little bit different. And I was

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bouldering a little bit last season too. which

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this season I'm just focusing on lead. So I think

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just it feels a lot different actually this season.

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Well, now that you've had, I guess, a while,

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how long has it been since the last comp? It's

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been like a month and a half. I think a month.

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Oh, really? Yeah. How is this like kind of weird

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break been? Like, is it enough time to do a full

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training cycle or are you just kind of still

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keep trying to keep your form? Um, I think it

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has been. It's been nice to be home and I feel

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like we have gotten like a pretty good block

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in. I don't know. I think it takes some time

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just for your body to like get used to the training

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again, I think. Like for, I want to say two weeks,

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it was really hard and I felt like I was struggling

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so much. And then, I don't know, I just reached

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a point where I was like, okay, I'm getting used

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to it again. Like I can. I actually feel like

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myself on the wall again, which is nice. And

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then you also need some time to taper, right?

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Yeah. I ended up hurting my neck right before

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Chamonix. So then I had to come home and try

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to figure out how to fix that. So then that took...

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I think that was part of the reason why it was

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a little more tricky for me to get used to the

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training again. How did you hurt your neck? I

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don't know. I think... A while ago in September

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of last year, I did shoulders like five days

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in a row really intensely and it ended up like

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making my shoulders and neck so, so tight. And

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now if I'm not careful, it just flares back up.

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So like if I do too many weights or if I'm not

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stretching and like recovering how I should be

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recovering, then it flares up really bad. And

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we were in Milan. And so we're like had heavy

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backpacks on and we're like on the trains for

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like hours. And so I think it just got really

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tight again. And then it gives me like the worst

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headache ever. So I had a headache for like three

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weeks that would not go away. But I don't know.

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Once I got home and I was able to get back to

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my normal like recovery schedule, it was it felt

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better. What's your like neck stretches? Because

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I also have super tight. shoulders and like neck

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things and yeah I gotta fix that I what's helped

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me the most actually is you can buy like at -home

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cupping sets and then my mom will just do it

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on my shoulders and then I get acupuncture in

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my neck which helps a lot like it hurts and it's

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kind of annoying scared yeah it's kind of annoying

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to go but it helps so much okay I'm a little

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too scared to try acupuncture. It's not bad.

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It's not bad. I was scared too, but it's really

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not too bad. I also watched, there used to be

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this like one show that was like dumb ways to

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die or like a hundred ways to die or something

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like that. And it was this guy who. was like

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doing acupuncture and then he like fell off the

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table and it like went through his body. I don't

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know if these are real stories or just like made

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up ways that you could potentially die, but I've

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always been scared of acupuncture since then.

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No, I don't think that would happen. I think

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it's made up. As long as you go to like someone

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with good reviews, I think that you'll be okay.

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Yeah. Okay. Maybe if I get desperate, I'll have

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to try that. Yeah. It actually helps a lot more

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than I expected. Maybe in the future. So for

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those who don't know you and your background

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super well, how did you get into climbing and

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competing? I started climbing when I was around

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two or three because my parents have been climbing

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forever. My dad's been climbing for like 30 years

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now. And so they would go outside and like he

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would bring like a pack and play and they would

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just put me in there. And then. they would climb

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and I would hang out and then once I got a little

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bit older they were like okay let's have you

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start doing some routes and then I just I don't

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know we just always went together and yeah and

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then I think when I was six I joined a team oh

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that's super early I didn't know they allowed

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they had teams at that age yeah I guess so I

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don't know and so we just climbed together all

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the time and and I don't know, when I was eight,

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I joined the AZR Ascenders, which was a like

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pretty well -known team at the time in Arizona.

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And I was going to practice four days a week.

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And then on the weekends, my parents and I would

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go outside and climb routes and hang out. And

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it kind of just, you know, carried on from there.

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Was there ever a moment in that like growing

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up period where you were like, I don't want to

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do this. I want to do my own thing. I don't think

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so. I was I was kind of thinking about that.

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Like, I never remember my parents forcing me

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to climb. I always just wanted to. Like, I never

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remember them saying like, oh, you have to go.

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We just went and I wanted to climb routes. And

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yeah, we would go out and my dad and I would

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both climb like 10 routes, you know, 510 to 512.

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And we would hang out and it was really fun.

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I don't know. And like, I really liked going

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to the practices. And yeah, I mean, we were climbing

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like six days a week when I was a kid. Like nothing

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just for fun, though. Like it wasn't even outrageously

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hard training. It was just because I wanted to

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go. My dad wanted to go. Did you do like any

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other sports growing up or was it just climbing?

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And like that's the only activity. I actually

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did swimming for a while and I was pretty good

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at it. Like I think I did it from when I was

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six to maybe. 11. And they kept wanting me to

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move up teams and compete more. And I was just

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like, I just want to climb. Like, I really didn't

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like swimming at all. But my mom was like, you

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need to try different things. Like, you could

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really go somewhere with swimming. And I was

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like, I just, I'm not a fan. So they were trying

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to push you to become like a swim, like a swimmer

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instead of like a climber? I don't know that.

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I think my mom just wanted me to have options.

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I don't think my dad really cared. But, yeah,

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once they started telling me that I had to go,

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like, late at night, it would be the practices

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were, like, 7 to 10 or something. I was like,

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it's cold. Like, I don't really want to do this

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anymore. And I just wanted to focus on climbing.

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So then they were like, okay. I mean, at least

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it was nighttime practices. I've heard a lot

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of swimmers do, like, early morning practices

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that start at, like, 6 or 5 or something crazy

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like that. I think that's probably once you get,

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like, a little bit older. Oh, okay. Yeah, once

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it's like serious. Yeah. And so then did your

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dad ever compete in climbing? He didn't, no.

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He mostly was just like going outside and they

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went to the gyms just so that they could, you

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know, climb around and have fun, but just to

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like get better outside. But you mentioned that

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he is your coach, right? Yeah, he is. Did like

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the family aspect ever bleed into the coaching

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and like make it weird or have you considered

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getting other coaches? people actually ask me

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this a lot like if we get along and we get along

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really really well like I think I just got lucky

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in that aspect because I don't know like he just

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understands how I am I think and I think I don't

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really struggle with motivation too much so it's

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never like he's forcing me to do anything I just,

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like, I expect myself to get up and to do it.

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And we know, like, exactly what we're going to

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do every day. And we just go and do it. And it's

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never, like, him forcing me to do it, which I

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think is what helps. Because I think there can

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be an issue, like, if a parent is trying to force

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their kids to go. But it's never, like, in my

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whole life, it's never felt like that. It's we

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know that I'm there because I want to do it just

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the same way when I was a kid. It was like we

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would go to the gym because I wanted to climb.

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And so I don't think it's really has ever felt

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like he's forcing me to do anything. And honestly,

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if I woke up tomorrow and told him that I wanted

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to be done, he would say, OK, that's fine. Because

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like he supports me because he knows that I want

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to do it. Yeah. And I think that's like. It feels

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pretty healthy and like it's a good situation.

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Oh, that sounds great. I would say the only time

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he ever like we ever get irritated with each

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other is he's like very, very big on being positive.

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And like you have to just like be able to embrace

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changes and like not get stressed out about things.

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And like sometimes. I do think that I struggle

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a little bit with like things not working out

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exactly how I want them to. Like if we're going

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to a lead session and I know the routes that

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are up because it's our home gym, like I'll pick

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out exactly what my circuits are going to be.

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And then if I go and someone's on that wall,

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like in the past I have let it irritate me. Okay.

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And he's like, you can't, you need to go with

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the flow, which lately I have been trying a lot

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harder. To get used to that, just from like the

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comp standpoint and like the way the World Cups

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have been, just getting used to that, like you

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really have to be able to go with the flow. And

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so that's like his big thing. And sometimes when

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I get tired, I do cry and he really doesn't like

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crying. Oh, really? Like he just feels like,

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you know, once you're crying, like you've lost

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your edge. You've lost your positivity. Like

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it's hard. Not if you're injured, obviously.

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But just like you have to stay positive and like

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you're choosing to be here and you want to get

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better. So it's like just because you're falling

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on certain things, like there's no reason to

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get upset. Like if you're falling, that means

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that you're trying hard enough and that you know

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that you're like going where you need to be going.

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Instead of like, oh, I'm upset because I fell.

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It's like that's the reality of the sport. Yeah,

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I guess that makes sense. But yeah, I don't know.

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It definitely is tough sometimes because I think

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just like the amount that we're in the gym, like

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you're going to get tired and you're like, I

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don't know. Sometimes we'll do like circuits

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on lead and like I'm just so tired and like I'll

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be crying on the wall like while I'm climbing.

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Not often. But it's just like you have to like

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I just think you really have to work on being

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positive. And like that's been a big thing this

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year about just me trying to fix my. I don't

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want to say attitude, but kind of. So like when

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you're crying while climbing on the wall, like

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what is the thought process there? It's just

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like tired. Like you just feel so tired. And

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I do think it is. We only have like one lead

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gym. And so the routes just feel, I think things

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just get repetitive and it's just, it is tiring.

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I don't know. I think just anytime you're doing

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anything for that amount of time, like regardless

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of how much you enjoy it, it's like things do

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get monotonous and like it does get hard. And

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I don't think that's a bad thing. I think that's

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just part of like the nature of sports. So has

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there ever, I mean, it sounds like a mostly.

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healthy relationship it sounds good um is has

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there really like never been a point where you

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were like oh this is too much like I want to

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quit and I don't want to do this or like do world

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cups or like maybe be a pro athlete or any of

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that I think like the only time that I ever had

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that was when I was like pretty sick you know

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for like a long period of time because it it

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I did just feel so off. And it's like, since

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I fixed that, no, I mean, I really enjoy it.

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And I think it's like I enjoy the process of

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like going to the gyms and working out and trying

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to get better. Well, we'll definitely get into,

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I guess, like the whole sickness part of your

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life. Yeah. Before we get into that, I just want

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to talk a little bit more about like your experience

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with like world climbing and like climbing in

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general. So you said like this year you're doing

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like lead only. You used to do a little bit more

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bouldering as well. I guess, how did you decide

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on lead climbing? And is it like in preparation

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for the Olympics where people are like trying

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to specialize? I think like I've always just

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competed a little bit better on lead. I mean,

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since the first ETH Worlds I made, I think it

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was in 2021, it was for lead. And then I... competed

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three more youth worlds and most of that like

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did lead at all of them and so I think lead just

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comes a little bit more naturally to me I think

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and bouldering I do think right now our team

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is like quite hard to break into but it's also

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just all the coordination stuff I think my level

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is just not there right now because I don't know.

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I live in Arizona and there's not a ton of gyms

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that are setting like that style. And so then

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it's like you go to the bouldering comps and

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you're trying to do the coordination and it's

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just like, I don't like I don't know. It just

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like it's really tough to be able to do those

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jumps and stuff if you're not. Like if you haven't

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practiced them. So I think that. I'm not saying

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like I wouldn't go back to bouldering. I have

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plans to compete bouldering in the future, just

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that I do think I need some more work on coordination

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because they are setting so much of it. So you

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feel like with lead, it's more like even if you

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don't exactly have the same style of setting

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as like world climbing or yeah, like international

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bouldering styles, it's more just like maybe

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your physical fitness or. like endurance ability

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that helps yeah I I think that's fair I mean

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even yeah where I live we don't really have like

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lead routes that are the level that they are

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at world cups so it's like we're just working

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on building as much fitness as possible and go

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to the comps and like see you know how it works

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out because Yeah, I don't really practice on

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hard lead routes like that ever, which does make

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it interesting. I don't know. Our coach, like

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the USAC one was like it's like on the job training

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because you never use you never like practice

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them. But I don't think I don't feel that it

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like makes that much of a difference because

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I do feel like routes are kind of routes like

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you sort of know what you're going to get. And

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it is I do feel like fitness plays a big role

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in it. And so I do think I have plans to go to

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Salt Lake and like climb on the new lead wall.

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But I do think that if you build like a really

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solid fitness base, you're going to get yourself

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to like a pretty good level. Are there ever like

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moves on the World Series routes that. Or like

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stopper moves to you? Or is it really just endurance?

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I do think there are stopper moves for sure.

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Even this year in Innsbruck, in the quali, there

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was a route where like, I want to say 20 of us

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fell on the same move. And it was like, I mean,

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a lot of heavy hitters fell on that move. I think

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maybe six people did the move. So it is. Like

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there are a lot of aspects of power, I think.

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But often there's not really hard jumps or like

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really hard bouldering moves that knock a lot

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of people off. I wouldn't, I don't think. Like

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at least the comps I've done this season. Yeah.

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So like, do you think if you had like harder

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routes in Arizona that would help with that?

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Or is it just like totally different? I mean,

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I think it couldn't hurt. I can't say that I

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don't ask our setters to like put up some harder

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stuff. But like the reality is that they're going

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to set for the clientele and they just and I

00:24:31.420 --> 00:24:33.440
don't blame them. I mean, it's hard enough to

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set on lead. And so like trying to set really

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hard stuff that one or two people is going to

00:24:39.819 --> 00:24:42.279
climb. It's like just doesn't really make sense.

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Have you considered moving for harder routes

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or? I definitely have thought about it. I think,

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I mean, obviously a lot of people live in Salt

00:24:53.789 --> 00:24:58.049
Lake and I do really like the gyms and I like,

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you know, the amount of routes and boulders that

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there are. I just think that please pardon this

00:25:04.390 --> 00:25:06.890
brief intermission, but I wanted to talk about

00:25:06.890 --> 00:25:09.329
comp .rocks, which is a website you can use to

00:25:09.329 --> 00:25:12.269
find climbing competitions near you. For pro

00:25:12.269 --> 00:25:14.869
climbers, you can filter by cash purse. And for

00:25:14.869 --> 00:25:16.869
the rest of us just looking to gain valuable

00:25:16.869 --> 00:25:19.650
experience or have fun, there are a bunch more

00:25:19.650 --> 00:25:22.650
filters as well, like discipline, age, format,

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and more. I live in SoCal where there are a bunch

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of gyms, and I'm not trying to follow every climbing

00:25:28.809 --> 00:25:31.049
gym's page to figure out if they're going to

00:25:31.049 --> 00:25:33.380
have a competition. petition or not. So this

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has made things so much easier. There are already

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over 100 comps published right now with even

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more planned for next year and it's free to use.

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So check out comp .rocks if you're based in the

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US. Some people, like some people's personalities

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just work really well in that environment. And

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I don't know if I'm that type of person. Okay.

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Like I. I think that there's some people that

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being around a lot of strong people, like it

00:26:03.349 --> 00:26:05.750
makes them more motivated and it makes them,

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you know, want to push themselves a lot harder.

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For me, I just feel like every training is stressful.

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I feel like everything feels like a competition

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and it's really hard for me to not get in my

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head. It's kind of, I feel similar training in

00:26:25.029 --> 00:26:28.769
Innsbruck, like before the World Cup. It's like

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there's so many people there and you have to

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compete against them in a week. And you're you

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go on a route. And regardless of if you're doing

00:26:35.970 --> 00:26:38.630
better or worse, like it's not really relevant

00:26:38.630 --> 00:26:41.190
to what's going to happen in the comp. But if

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you let it get in your head, then it can become

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relevant. I just think that it's kind of hard.

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And that's how I feel right now about Salt Lake

00:26:50.269 --> 00:26:55.349
is like where I live. I don't see anybody training

00:26:55.349 --> 00:26:58.960
like it's basically just me and my dad. And so

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nobody knows what I'm doing. I don't see anyone.

00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:06.599
Most of the boards are open. I don't have to

00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:10.819
fight for space. And so it's just kind of nice

00:27:10.819 --> 00:27:16.099
just being able to be on my own and do exactly

00:27:16.099 --> 00:27:19.599
the training that I want to do and not have to

00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:23.920
be around so many people that you'll have to

00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.400
compete against in the future. So it doesn't

00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:29.700
like motivate you to see people climbing harder

00:27:29.700 --> 00:27:32.859
than you? It's more like demotivating? I don't

00:27:32.859 --> 00:27:35.700
know. Honestly, I don't feel like I really have

00:27:35.700 --> 00:27:39.200
motivation issues at all. Like I don't think

00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:43.859
that I feel less or more motivated when I'm around

00:27:43.859 --> 00:27:46.839
other people. I think that I just feel stressed.

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And so I think that like because I know that

00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:55.859
about myself, it's like I have to. you know try

00:27:55.859 --> 00:27:58.539
to put myself in the best position to succeed

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and I think for right now it makes more sense

00:28:01.180 --> 00:28:04.039
for me to stay here so I guess it kind of seems

00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:07.140
like you are just motivated to do the best that

00:28:07.140 --> 00:28:11.440
you can do no matter what yeah and I guess for

00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:14.619
a lot of people I would say at least for me if

00:28:14.619 --> 00:28:18.799
I'm already doing the best of the people around

00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:22.609
me then I'm like Oh, well, OK, cool. Whereas

00:28:22.609 --> 00:28:25.690
if I saw someone doing better than me, then I

00:28:25.690 --> 00:28:28.109
would be like, OK, I have to aim for that because

00:28:28.109 --> 00:28:31.829
I could do that. So I should work harder to be

00:28:31.829 --> 00:28:34.309
able to do that. Yeah. I mean, I think that's

00:28:34.309 --> 00:28:37.750
fair. Like that makes sense. But yeah, I don't

00:28:37.750 --> 00:28:40.829
I don't really feel that way. Like I feel like

00:28:40.829 --> 00:28:44.390
I'm just in pursuit of being my best self. And

00:28:44.390 --> 00:28:47.369
so that I don't feel the need to like train around

00:28:47.369 --> 00:28:50.680
other people. because it doesn't really affect

00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:53.720
me. That's kind of a unique take, I feel like.

00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:58.539
I also think that it helps that, like, I do have

00:28:58.539 --> 00:29:03.700
my dad with me in all my sessions because I can

00:29:03.700 --> 00:29:06.059
imagine that if you were on your own and did

00:29:06.059 --> 00:29:09.299
not have a coach, that it might be tough to,

00:29:09.339 --> 00:29:11.519
like, make sure you're doing everything that

00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:14.480
you should be doing. Yeah. Oh, true. For sure.

00:29:14.539 --> 00:29:17.119
Like, I think even when he's just there, like,

00:29:17.220 --> 00:29:21.039
hanging out. and watching me boulder on the boards,

00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:25.720
like, it just makes it easier. And it is fun,

00:29:25.819 --> 00:29:28.180
and, like, we talk to each other, and it's, like,

00:29:28.259 --> 00:29:30.799
it doesn't really feel like work, even though

00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:33.859
it is. So I think maybe if I was on my own, it

00:29:33.859 --> 00:29:36.880
would feel different, but because I'm not, it's,

00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:39.819
yeah, it feels like a really good situation for

00:29:39.819 --> 00:29:43.460
me right now. Does your dad climb, like, a similar

00:29:43.460 --> 00:29:45.640
grade to you, or does he have, like, a similar

00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:50.279
ability level to you? I mean, not really, but

00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:55.000
he has, like, I don't know. I want to say, like,

00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.839
ten years ago he could climb tens and nines and

00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:01.259
stuff. But even though he can't, like, we'll

00:30:01.259 --> 00:30:03.759
do bouldering sessions together where we're just

00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:06.200
projecting and, like, I'll try my climb and he'll

00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.740
try his climb and it's, like, it doesn't. And

00:30:08.740 --> 00:30:12.019
we give each other, like, advice and it's, I

00:30:12.019 --> 00:30:17.660
don't know. But, yeah. So. I actually don't interview

00:30:17.660 --> 00:30:19.799
that many lead climbers, and I'm more of a boulder,

00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:23.339
so I have to get some basic noob questions out

00:30:23.339 --> 00:30:27.099
of the way first. I had actually only recently

00:30:27.099 --> 00:30:30.859
heard that maybe sometimes you guys get a video

00:30:30.859 --> 00:30:33.279
of the route being climbed before the competition.

00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:37.759
Is that true? Like, it only happens sometimes,

00:30:37.940 --> 00:30:41.259
but not every time? Oh, before the qualifier,

00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:46.339
we get videos every time. Okay. So we have the

00:30:46.339 --> 00:30:48.960
two routes and you get a video of each route

00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.660
being climbed. And the point of that is so that

00:30:52.660 --> 00:30:56.900
whoever goes first in the start list has like

00:30:56.900 --> 00:31:00.420
the same chance to do well because they've also

00:31:00.420 --> 00:31:03.900
seen someone climb it. Like if they had to go

00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:06.299
first on the route and had never seen anyone

00:31:06.299 --> 00:31:10.299
climb it, but then everyone can watch them, like

00:31:10.299 --> 00:31:12.720
it's not as fair for them. I didn't even know

00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:16.299
everyone could watch. Yeah. In the quali, you

00:31:16.299 --> 00:31:18.759
can watch everyone. Wow. Okay. I had no idea.

00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:23.059
Wait, that's so crazy. It's just, I mean, they

00:31:23.059 --> 00:31:26.500
don't ever show qualis, so I wouldn't know. That's

00:31:26.500 --> 00:31:29.559
wild. And I've never been to a lead. Yeah. Never

00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:32.200
been to a lead World Series. Yeah. Okay. Good

00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:35.119
to know. So then you never have that for semis

00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:38.700
or finals. Correct. So for semis and finals,

00:31:38.779 --> 00:31:42.339
we have like the preview. So we get to go out

00:31:42.339 --> 00:31:45.279
for six minutes and look at it. And then we have

00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:49.259
like a route map in the back. So it's just basically

00:31:49.259 --> 00:31:53.200
a picture of it. And then it shows like on there,

00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:55.779
they draw on what the last possible clipping

00:31:55.779 --> 00:31:58.859
position for each draw is. If you went past there,

00:31:58.940 --> 00:32:01.019
then you wouldn't be able to clip the draw and

00:32:01.019 --> 00:32:03.500
then your points would stop. When you're like

00:32:03.500 --> 00:32:07.000
watching people in qualities, how do you know,

00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.559
how do you decide like when to go your own way

00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:16.319
with your beta? I think. To me, I just do what

00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.740
feels right in the moment. I don't really focus

00:32:19.740 --> 00:32:24.160
on watching people that intently. Even the video,

00:32:24.380 --> 00:32:26.980
I'll watch it maybe twice. There are some people

00:32:26.980 --> 00:32:29.279
that while they're in the chair, before they

00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:33.680
go out, they're watching the video. And I don't

00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:36.740
do that. I think the thing that the video helps

00:32:36.740 --> 00:32:39.579
the most with for me is figuring out where to

00:32:39.579 --> 00:32:43.200
clip the draws from. because the setters know

00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:46.920
like the setters know what the best hold is and

00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:50.220
so a lot of times if you go past where they have

00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:53.559
clipped their draw from it's a lot harder so

00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:57.400
I think I watched the video for that and then

00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:01.819
I'll watch maybe a couple climbers and then I'm

00:33:01.819 --> 00:33:05.500
like okay and then I go and just do like what

00:33:05.500 --> 00:33:10.420
feels natural I don't try to force any different

00:33:10.420 --> 00:33:15.259
beta I don't know. How far, like, do you try

00:33:15.259 --> 00:33:18.039
to remember your own, like, when you're reading

00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:20.059
it, you try to remember your own beta for the

00:33:20.059 --> 00:33:23.440
whole route? I don't, but I know that some people

00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.859
do. Yeah, I more go with the flow on the routes.

00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.259
Really? Okay. Because I find a lot of times,

00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:32.500
like, things don't feel how you think they're

00:33:32.500 --> 00:33:35.900
going to feel. And for me, I don't get a lot

00:33:35.900 --> 00:33:38.400
of practice on the holds that they set with.

00:33:39.740 --> 00:33:42.160
A lot of times this season, it's been my first

00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:46.579
time ever grabbing certain holds. Yeah. So I

00:33:46.579 --> 00:33:48.819
have no idea what anything's going to feel like.

00:33:48.900 --> 00:33:51.900
I think maybe if I did know what the holds would

00:33:51.900 --> 00:33:54.420
feel like, it might be different. But because

00:33:54.420 --> 00:33:57.940
I don't, I'm like, let me just go and see. Like,

00:33:57.940 --> 00:34:01.859
see what it feels like. Yeah. That's kind of

00:34:01.859 --> 00:34:06.779
scary. Yeah, it is a little bit. But especially

00:34:06.779 --> 00:34:10.170
with the quali, like... Because of the way the

00:34:10.170 --> 00:34:13.989
start list is structured, you always know that

00:34:13.989 --> 00:34:16.690
there's going to be someone good to watch. And

00:34:16.690 --> 00:34:20.030
so you can sort of see when people are struggling

00:34:20.030 --> 00:34:22.889
so you know what moves are maybe a little more

00:34:22.889 --> 00:34:26.230
tricky than others. So you can kind of prepare

00:34:26.230 --> 00:34:29.610
yourself in that way. Like, oh, maybe by this

00:34:29.610 --> 00:34:32.489
point I need to have taken that rest so that

00:34:32.489 --> 00:34:35.650
I can be ready to do whatever move in there looks

00:34:35.650 --> 00:34:39.190
really tough. What about when you see maybe a

00:34:39.190 --> 00:34:41.869
low percentage move or a dino on a lead route?

00:34:41.969 --> 00:34:45.150
Does that freak you out at all, or do you manage

00:34:45.150 --> 00:34:48.090
to stay calm in those situations? I think I try

00:34:48.090 --> 00:34:52.670
to manage to stay calm, but it's definitely hard.

00:34:52.869 --> 00:34:57.590
I don't know. At our nationals this year in semis,

00:34:57.590 --> 00:35:01.289
we had a run and jump start, and it ended up

00:35:01.289 --> 00:35:05.739
being like V3. And I was so stressed. Yeah. I

00:35:05.739 --> 00:35:07.380
was like, if I can just get on the wall, like

00:35:07.380 --> 00:35:10.519
I think I'll be fine and be able to make it through.

00:35:10.860 --> 00:35:13.480
But it is like they do it to get in your head.

00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:15.679
Like they don't want people to fall off of the

00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:18.579
start. But it is like you have to be able to

00:35:18.579 --> 00:35:20.579
handle it and you have to be able to manage the

00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:24.639
stress. Yeah. I mean, it would really suck to

00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:28.610
fall on the start. It would. But. Yeah, they

00:35:28.610 --> 00:35:31.010
like I just can't imagine the setters would want

00:35:31.010 --> 00:35:33.670
that to happen. That's what I tell myself. I'm

00:35:33.670 --> 00:35:37.050
like, surely it will be fine because I don't

00:35:37.050 --> 00:35:38.889
think they want people to fall on the run up.

00:35:39.210 --> 00:35:42.829
I've seen some scary starts. Yeah, there definitely

00:35:42.829 --> 00:35:45.809
are some scary starts. And I have seen people

00:35:45.809 --> 00:35:48.750
fall off the start. So yeah, I mean, it does

00:35:48.750 --> 00:35:53.070
happen. But I don't know. I just tell myself

00:35:53.070 --> 00:35:56.800
that it's going to be fine. And. I don't know.

00:35:56.860 --> 00:36:00.059
That's all you can do, I guess. Okay. I think

00:36:00.059 --> 00:36:02.400
those are most of my new questions out of the

00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:06.940
way. Okay. So in terms of your like world climbing

00:36:06.940 --> 00:36:10.400
experience this year, this was your first year

00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:13.639
in finals. How was climbing in your first finals?

00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:17.340
It was amazing. I don't know. This was also my

00:36:17.340 --> 00:36:20.579
first year in semis, which. Oh, really? Yeah.

00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:25.659
In China. Yeah. It was so cool. I think. Just,

00:36:25.659 --> 00:36:27.980
like, getting used to climbing in front of that

00:36:27.980 --> 00:36:30.480
many people, like, in that environment, it definitely,

00:36:30.579 --> 00:36:33.760
like, is a little bit intimidating. That's what

00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:37.480
I mostly felt, I think. Because I was, like,

00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:41.360
so excited. And, I mean, it's, like, feels like

00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:43.940
a dream I've had for a long time to climb in

00:36:43.940 --> 00:36:46.059
a World Cup final. But it's, like, you're doing

00:36:46.059 --> 00:36:47.599
it and you're, like, oh, my gosh. Like, there's

00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:50.260
so many people here. Like, it does just feel

00:36:50.260 --> 00:36:54.409
a little bit more intense then. the semi was

00:36:54.409 --> 00:36:57.070
there anything that you like weren't expecting

00:36:57.070 --> 00:37:01.670
actually because i was in fourth that meant that

00:37:01.670 --> 00:37:05.289
i climbed fifth and there was like a tv break

00:37:05.289 --> 00:37:09.210
oh and they were they were playing like right

00:37:09.210 --> 00:37:11.010
before i went out they were playing the chicken

00:37:11.010 --> 00:37:14.570
dance and everyone in the stands was doing the

00:37:14.570 --> 00:37:17.280
chicken dance and i I was, like, tied in, and

00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:19.460
they were like, okay, like, 15 seconds, and I'm

00:37:19.460 --> 00:37:22.320
like, oh, my gosh. Like, everyone's doing the

00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.219
chicken dance. Like, what is going on? Uh -huh.

00:37:25.579 --> 00:37:28.860
And it, yeah. Like, I definitely wasn't expecting

00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:32.920
that. Yeah. Was it, like, distracting? I don't

00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:36.360
know if distracting, but I was just like, like,

00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:39.739
why? Yeah. I don't really know, but it was kind

00:37:39.739 --> 00:37:42.539
of funny. And so people settled down when it

00:37:42.539 --> 00:37:46.059
came out. Yeah, I guess so, but. You just never

00:37:46.059 --> 00:37:48.480
know. I didn't even know that there would be

00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:53.659
a break. I think that's the thing about semis

00:37:53.659 --> 00:37:55.840
and finals that maybe people don't think about.

00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:00.340
It's hard to time it with your warm -up because

00:38:00.340 --> 00:38:02.159
you don't know how hard the route's going to

00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:03.780
be. You don't know how long it's going to take.

00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:08.599
Oh, true. So it's kind of just like a guessing

00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:11.260
game of like, okay, I'll start warming up now,

00:38:11.420 --> 00:38:13.920
and then you try to feel it out. And then you

00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:15.719
don't know how long the person in front of you

00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:18.539
is actually going to take on the wall. So then

00:38:18.539 --> 00:38:20.539
you're sitting there and you're like, oh, like,

00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:24.159
maybe I should put my shoes on. Maybe I should

00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:28.659
get ready. I don't know. And I like I think that

00:38:28.659 --> 00:38:32.239
it's just a little bit of a learning curve. Well,

00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:34.179
like how long does your warm up usually take

00:38:34.179 --> 00:38:37.539
your ideal warm up? I would say that normally

00:38:37.539 --> 00:38:40.900
I give myself like an hour and a half, but I

00:38:40.900 --> 00:38:45.880
rest quite a bit. I think for lead, for sure,

00:38:45.900 --> 00:38:48.159
you see a lot of people, like, resting a lot

00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:51.099
more during their warm -ups. And I want to say

00:38:51.099 --> 00:38:56.260
I try to be off the wall and, like, rest for

00:38:56.260 --> 00:38:59.000
at least 15 to 20 minutes before I climb my route.

00:38:59.139 --> 00:39:01.420
Oh, wow. Really? Which I think for bouldering,

00:39:01.460 --> 00:39:05.260
that's not what people normally do. Yeah. Yeah,

00:39:05.380 --> 00:39:08.460
don't quote me on that. But I feel like it definitely,

00:39:08.619 --> 00:39:11.199
like, for lead, you see a lot more people kind

00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:14.980
of hanging out. resting a lot more I guess it

00:39:14.980 --> 00:39:17.599
makes sense then like the stuff your dad was

00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:20.280
saying about having to go with the flow because

00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:23.519
you can't predict what it'll be like yeah you

00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:27.179
really have no idea and like even in the quali

00:39:27.179 --> 00:39:29.800
a lot of times we're behind the wall so you have

00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:33.340
no idea how long the person is taking and then

00:39:33.340 --> 00:39:36.739
I don't know in Prague I was like right after

00:39:36.739 --> 00:39:39.820
the brush break Which basically means that you

00:39:39.820 --> 00:39:41.880
sit in the chair behind the wall for 15 minutes,

00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:45.980
like, at least. Because they call you while someone's

00:39:45.980 --> 00:39:48.239
still on the wall. And then you sit there while

00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:51.820
they brush the entire route, like, to wherever

00:39:51.820 --> 00:39:54.059
the highest, like, to wherever the high point

00:39:54.059 --> 00:39:56.420
is. You're just like, okay, like, let's get this

00:39:56.420 --> 00:39:58.900
show on the road. And you just kind of have to

00:39:58.900 --> 00:40:02.039
wait and, I don't know. So it is a lot of just,

00:40:02.099 --> 00:40:04.800
like, being calm and just being like, okay, I'll

00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:08.050
go when you tell me to go. And so I think just

00:40:08.050 --> 00:40:10.570
for me getting used to that and like not letting

00:40:10.570 --> 00:40:13.010
it stress me out about like, wow, I've sat here

00:40:13.010 --> 00:40:15.309
for five minutes. They must be getting really

00:40:15.309 --> 00:40:18.809
high on the wall. Oh, yeah. Like you just can't

00:40:18.809 --> 00:40:20.929
think about it at all because the reality is

00:40:20.929 --> 00:40:24.010
you have no idea. Yeah. Do you like try to figure

00:40:24.010 --> 00:40:27.510
out how far people have gotten or like listen

00:40:27.510 --> 00:40:31.570
to like cheers to hear where you've gotten on

00:40:31.570 --> 00:40:35.190
the wall versus like other people? No, I try

00:40:35.190 --> 00:40:37.940
to. Block it all out. I mean, in the back, like,

00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:40.940
I even have headphones that are, like, blaring,

00:40:40.940 --> 00:40:44.880
so I can't hear anything. And then even when

00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:47.960
I go out to climb my route, like, I never usually

00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:50.760
look at the route because I don't want to see

00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:52.699
the draws swinging. Like, I don't want to know.

00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:57.300
Yeah. Someone was saying that they watched back

00:40:57.300 --> 00:41:00.920
the Innsbruck stream, and maybe it was the Innsbruck

00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:03.099
stream. I'm not sure. But I didn't look at the

00:41:03.099 --> 00:41:05.929
route. one of the commentators was like, oh,

00:41:06.050 --> 00:41:09.130
usually you want to see like where the draws

00:41:09.130 --> 00:41:11.210
are swinging so that you know where the person

00:41:11.210 --> 00:41:15.690
fell. I do not want to know. Okay. Like I, because

00:41:15.690 --> 00:41:19.289
the reality is you have no idea like what place

00:41:19.289 --> 00:41:21.929
they're in. You have no idea what move they actually

00:41:21.929 --> 00:41:25.389
fell on. So I just don't find it helpful. I find

00:41:25.389 --> 00:41:27.610
that it kind of stresses me out more. And then

00:41:27.610 --> 00:41:29.570
I guess you don't care to reread because you

00:41:29.570 --> 00:41:31.630
don't know what the holds feel like anyway. Yeah.

00:41:32.070 --> 00:41:36.360
Okay. Interesting. Especially looking at like

00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:38.820
how you were doing last year compared to this

00:41:38.820 --> 00:41:42.699
year, there's still like huge improvements. It

00:41:42.699 --> 00:41:44.519
almost kind of seems like it came out of nowhere,

00:41:44.579 --> 00:41:47.519
like you were getting, I guess, like placements

00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.699
in the 30s and 40s and then like making finals

00:41:50.699 --> 00:41:52.980
this year. That's kind of like. a pretty big

00:41:52.980 --> 00:41:56.079
deal I feel like so what do you think changed

00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:59.500
between maybe like your training last year versus

00:41:59.500 --> 00:42:02.699
this year or was it like mindset or the field

00:42:02.699 --> 00:42:05.320
of athletes or yeah like what do you think it

00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.280
was you kind of just going into the world cups

00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.460
like your first season you kind of just don't

00:42:10.460 --> 00:42:13.039
know like you don't know what your level is going

00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:14.360
to be you don't know how the routes are going

00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:17.239
to feel and it is kind of scary and it is hard

00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:20.199
like Every route you pull on and you're like,

00:42:20.260 --> 00:42:23.199
oh my gosh, it's so hard at the first and second

00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:26.860
draw. And so I think there is a little bit of

00:42:26.860 --> 00:42:30.079
learning that happened. But basically, I mean,

00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:31.860
honestly, we just realized that I wasn't good

00:42:31.860 --> 00:42:35.079
enough. We realized that I wasn't in the shape

00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:37.760
that I needed to be in. I wasn't strong enough.

00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.199
I wasn't fit enough. And I don't think that's

00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:42.239
a bad thing. Like, I don't think it's bad to

00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:43.860
realize that you're not where you need to be.

00:42:44.139 --> 00:42:48.420
Because, I mean, like, you can get there. You

00:42:48.420 --> 00:42:50.179
just have to work for it and you have to commit

00:42:50.179 --> 00:42:52.599
to like doing everything you can to get better.

00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.960
Did you like just like ramp up your training

00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:59.000
a ton? Like it kind of gave you a kick in the

00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.699
ass to like work harder than you were before?

00:43:02.099 --> 00:43:05.260
I do think we stepped it up like quite a lot,

00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:09.760
especially on just like the fitness aspect of

00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:12.820
it. Just like every fitness thing that you can

00:43:12.820 --> 00:43:15.699
think of off the wall, like we're doing now.

00:43:16.380 --> 00:43:19.739
And so I am climbing more than I was last year,

00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:23.659
but I'm also doing a bunch of weights and running

00:43:23.659 --> 00:43:26.280
and like doing other things just to build more

00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:28.260
fitness and build more strength because I do

00:43:28.260 --> 00:43:30.519
think that's what you need. Like you go to the

00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:33.619
comps and I mean, everyone is in the best shape

00:43:33.619 --> 00:43:36.980
of their life. Yeah. Like you almost can't tell

00:43:36.980 --> 00:43:40.360
when you watch the comps, but when you're actually

00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:43.559
there and you see people, you're like, wow, everyone

00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:47.300
is very, very fit. And so I think it just takes

00:43:47.300 --> 00:43:52.420
time to get to that level and just, I don't know,

00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.699
like prioritizing recovery and trying to eat

00:43:55.699 --> 00:43:58.840
the best I can. Like everything goes together

00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:01.599
and you kind of have to commit to like doing

00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:05.599
everything and even sleeping. Like I think when

00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:07.619
you step up your training, you have to make sure

00:44:07.619 --> 00:44:09.360
that you're committed to like getting enough

00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.539
sleep. And yeah, because I wake up so early,

00:44:12.659 --> 00:44:17.079
I wake up at five -ish. Oh, geez. So I'm in bed

00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:21.099
by 8 .30 or 9 every single night. Wow. And I

00:44:21.099 --> 00:44:25.000
am really tired, but it's also like that's the

00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.380
only way that your body's going to recover and

00:44:27.380 --> 00:44:29.099
that you're going to be able to maintain like

00:44:29.099 --> 00:44:31.980
the same training level and keep going. Why do

00:44:31.980 --> 00:44:35.579
you wake up so early? Well, like because my dad

00:44:35.579 --> 00:44:40.159
coaches me, we go really early in the morning

00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:43.820
and then pretty like not late, but. I don't know

00:44:43.820 --> 00:44:47.559
like three to six usually in the afternoons and

00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:51.719
so then we're able to get like two really solid

00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:56.400
blocks in and I'm able to rest between sessions

00:44:56.400 --> 00:45:01.539
so I do feel like pretty recovered between the

00:45:01.539 --> 00:45:04.079
morning and the afternoon because of it's like

00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.579
four hour break usually sometimes not as long

00:45:07.579 --> 00:45:10.219
but it's enough time to like eat a good lunch

00:45:10.219 --> 00:45:12.780
and take a nap and then I get up and I'm like

00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.980
feel really good and ready to go back to the

00:45:15.980 --> 00:45:18.519
gym. Yeah. So what does your training routine

00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:20.739
look like? Like, is that how many days a week?

00:45:21.139 --> 00:45:26.440
I'm in the gym six days a week, but one of the

00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:31.179
days I don't climb at all. So on Mondays, I only

00:45:31.179 --> 00:45:34.539
work out in the mornings and then I have Monday

00:45:34.539 --> 00:45:37.599
nights off and then I have Fridays all the way

00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:42.059
off. And I find that like that's plenty for me

00:45:42.059 --> 00:45:45.559
to be recovered and to still have good sessions.

00:45:46.099 --> 00:45:49.239
So I guess what I always think is like everyone

00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:52.980
in the circuit is also training as hard as they

00:45:52.980 --> 00:45:55.519
can and like training as much as they can. And

00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:59.480
so how do you make improvements when everyone's

00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:01.760
trying to do the most? Like how do you train

00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:04.380
more than other people train? You know, that's

00:46:04.380 --> 00:46:07.559
a good question. I mean, you made it happen.

00:46:08.539 --> 00:46:12.880
I honestly I feel like a lot of us are doing

00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:17.320
the same thing like we on the five days a week

00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:19.659
that I climb like we're at the gym for seven

00:46:19.659 --> 00:46:22.840
hours a day and I think that that's probably

00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:25.900
pretty similar to what other people have said

00:46:25.900 --> 00:46:30.199
and I think it's it's not just about the time

00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:34.739
it's about like the intensity and my dad always

00:46:34.739 --> 00:46:37.829
says like whatever is the most intensity that

00:46:37.829 --> 00:46:40.130
you can handle that your body can handle that's

00:46:40.130 --> 00:46:42.289
what you should be doing because that's the only

00:46:42.289 --> 00:46:45.210
way that you'll get better and it is like if

00:46:45.210 --> 00:46:48.849
you're going to the gym and you're not pushing

00:46:48.849 --> 00:46:50.889
yourself as hard as you can you're not on the

00:46:50.889 --> 00:46:53.670
hardest routes that you know you can do like

00:46:53.670 --> 00:46:55.530
if you're just going through the motions it's

00:46:55.530 --> 00:46:59.789
going to be hard to improve because it's just

00:46:59.789 --> 00:47:01.929
like you have to push your body as hard as it

00:47:01.929 --> 00:47:07.630
can go and I don't know I think it it takes time

00:47:07.630 --> 00:47:09.650
to figure out like what kind of schedule works

00:47:09.650 --> 00:47:12.769
with that like we still adjust things if I don't

00:47:12.769 --> 00:47:14.750
like if I tell him that I don't think something's

00:47:14.750 --> 00:47:17.230
working then we talk about it and we try to fix

00:47:17.230 --> 00:47:21.570
it and so it's just like trying to plan what

00:47:21.570 --> 00:47:24.409
works for you not necessarily what works for

00:47:24.409 --> 00:47:28.070
other people because I know a lot of people that

00:47:28.070 --> 00:47:30.889
I've talked to will do like two days on one day

00:47:30.889 --> 00:47:35.090
off and we tried that And I just I hated it.

00:47:35.690 --> 00:47:40.489
Like I I like to know every day exactly what

00:47:40.489 --> 00:47:42.070
I'm going to do, what gyms we're going to go

00:47:42.070 --> 00:47:45.150
to and like exactly how things are going to work.

00:47:45.469 --> 00:47:48.150
And I found that with two days on one day off,

00:47:48.289 --> 00:47:51.909
it was like every week was different. And so

00:47:51.909 --> 00:47:55.150
things like things felt different to me. And

00:47:55.150 --> 00:47:58.789
with this schedule, it's like I wake up on Tuesday

00:47:58.789 --> 00:48:00.849
morning and I know exactly what we're going to

00:48:00.849 --> 00:48:04.010
do the whole day. And it's every Tuesday, it's

00:48:04.010 --> 00:48:06.190
going to be the exact same as it was last Tuesday.

00:48:06.849 --> 00:48:10.210
And I think like that's helpful for me. Some

00:48:10.210 --> 00:48:13.030
people might not like that. And so I think just

00:48:13.030 --> 00:48:15.510
like trying to adjust things until they work

00:48:15.510 --> 00:48:19.550
for you and for your system, like that's what's

00:48:19.550 --> 00:48:21.929
going to help you the most. Between like last

00:48:21.929 --> 00:48:24.710
year and this year, did you like increase the

00:48:24.710 --> 00:48:26.550
amount of time you're spending in the gym too?

00:48:26.710 --> 00:48:30.599
Or is it just like intentionality? Yeah, I think

00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:33.380
the amount of time for sure. I would say probably

00:48:33.380 --> 00:48:36.059
like an hour and a half extra every day. Oh,

00:48:36.059 --> 00:48:39.599
OK. I want to say just like the intention of

00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:41.719
like we're going to go and push as hard as we

00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:45.500
can and do everything that's on the schedule.

00:48:46.179 --> 00:48:49.079
I think it's just like consistency. It's really

00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.019
hard to get better if you're, you know, going

00:48:52.019 --> 00:48:53.840
really strong for two weeks and then you're like,

00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:57.340
let me let me take a break. Like you have to.

00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:01.719
Push yourself as hard as you can for a long time

00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:06.300
in order to get better. Like we had a fairly

00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:09.619
long preseason before this season because we

00:49:09.619 --> 00:49:13.280
knew I needed it. Like we built a schedule and

00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:16.840
I don't know, like right after I went to world

00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:19.820
champs, we started pushing like really, really

00:49:19.820 --> 00:49:22.199
hard so that I would be ready to try to make

00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:26.159
the team in February. So what is that? Four months,

00:49:26.260 --> 00:49:30.539
I think. and like I could tell I could tell that

00:49:30.539 --> 00:49:34.159
I felt a lot stronger and I also think like when

00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:35.739
you know that you're doing everything you can

00:49:35.739 --> 00:49:40.239
it is easier to be more confident true because

00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:43.639
like I can tell myself that I know that there's

00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:45.840
nothing else I could have done to prepare myself

00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:48.639
and I know that it's true and it's not just something

00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:51.900
I'm saying and I think that is kind of helpful

00:49:52.460 --> 00:49:55.599
That makes sense. So in terms of things that

00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:58.179
you decided to cut out and things that you thought

00:49:58.179 --> 00:49:59.780
were actually really helpful in your training,

00:50:00.019 --> 00:50:03.219
I guess let's get into some of those. I think

00:50:03.219 --> 00:50:06.099
you mentioned one thing you actually found really

00:50:06.099 --> 00:50:09.739
helpful was like auto belays. I just like them.

00:50:09.900 --> 00:50:14.219
I think that I would say half of my lead sessions

00:50:14.219 --> 00:50:18.860
I end on auto belays. Just it's a way to get

00:50:18.860 --> 00:50:23.610
like more routes in. It's just kind of fun and

00:50:23.610 --> 00:50:27.530
different. I find, like, my gym, they reset them

00:50:27.530 --> 00:50:32.769
a lot. Like, we had routes up on lead that were

00:50:32.769 --> 00:50:37.030
up for a year. Whoa. Yeah, and this was, like,

00:50:37.050 --> 00:50:39.849
through the arch. So one of the, like, more,

00:50:40.070 --> 00:50:43.329
like, one of the lead areas that we use more

00:50:43.329 --> 00:50:46.489
often, I want to say they reset the auto belays,

00:50:46.550 --> 00:50:50.610
like, five times in that block. Yeah, I don't

00:50:50.610 --> 00:50:54.010
know the schedule. I really don't. But it's just

00:50:54.010 --> 00:50:57.230
like something different. Okay. I even, I was,

00:50:57.329 --> 00:50:59.610
just the other day I was talking to my dad about

00:50:59.610 --> 00:51:04.010
how if I was climbing recreationally, I would

00:51:04.010 --> 00:51:06.809
always go for an auto belay before I went for

00:51:06.809 --> 00:51:09.690
bouldering. Maybe that's a hot take. Interesting.

00:51:10.070 --> 00:51:13.550
Maybe that's a hot take. But I love an auto belay.

00:51:13.630 --> 00:51:16.929
I think that they're so fun. And it is, like

00:51:16.929 --> 00:51:20.130
when, if I ever coach kids, like when I coach

00:51:20.130 --> 00:51:23.679
them, always finish on the auto blaze because

00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:26.000
it's like you're super dead from lead routes

00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:29.199
why not do a couple more well it would always

00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:33.300
be like vertical ish right yeah like no overhang

00:51:33.300 --> 00:51:36.780
so it's i think it's more like a cool down but

00:51:36.780 --> 00:51:41.039
it does like it gets more routes in and i just

00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:43.159
think it's different like because of our gym

00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:46.900
situation we're in it's like we're on the same

00:51:46.900 --> 00:51:51.820
routes a lot yeah i'm actually like their setting

00:51:51.820 --> 00:51:55.139
specials like once a year I don't I don't actually

00:51:55.139 --> 00:51:57.519
know what happened because I feel like it's not

00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:00.780
but the routes through the arch were up from

00:52:00.780 --> 00:52:04.820
July to July so that's kind of wild so I don't

00:52:04.820 --> 00:52:08.820
know but but I guess I just don't really understand

00:52:08.820 --> 00:52:12.539
how you train on that at like a high level I

00:52:12.539 --> 00:52:15.400
don't know if it's like I don't it's definitely

00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:18.900
not like a big part of training But it's just

00:52:18.900 --> 00:52:21.619
like a cool down. Like I'll finish my routes

00:52:21.619 --> 00:52:24.539
and maybe I'll do like two audible A's. Right.

00:52:24.579 --> 00:52:29.619
Like 13, two 13s, sometimes 12s up down. Like

00:52:29.619 --> 00:52:31.900
it just kind of depends. But I do think it's

00:52:31.900 --> 00:52:34.320
just something different. Like and I mean right

00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:36.579
when you get off your lead routes, like you come

00:52:36.579 --> 00:52:40.099
down, you run over there and you do them. And

00:52:40.099 --> 00:52:41.860
it's like it does kind of help to cool you down

00:52:41.860 --> 00:52:45.880
and you still are tired from the lead that you

00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:51.139
did. What's crazy is when we were in Italy training,

00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:55.599
they had lead auto belays. Really? Yes. And I

00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:57.099
had never seen that before. Wait, how does that

00:52:57.099 --> 00:53:01.500
even work? It was like at the, and this was on

00:53:01.500 --> 00:53:04.119
steep walls. So I didn't really know, but I never

00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:07.239
seen this before. It was like a box with a lead

00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:09.380
rope in it. And I guess you just tie in and like,

00:53:09.420 --> 00:53:13.300
as you go up, you clip the draw. And then in

00:53:13.300 --> 00:53:16.960
theory, you fall and it catches you. But that,

00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:19.920
seems like too much for me so it comes from the

00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:23.400
bottom it comes yeah yeah what that's crazy i

00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:26.099
know i had never seen that before so you would

00:53:26.099 --> 00:53:29.920
love that i don't think so like i could not bring

00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:34.219
myself to tie into that yeah and i like do people

00:53:34.219 --> 00:53:38.019
use them i don't know because i never saw someone

00:53:38.019 --> 00:53:42.440
use one the the concept like it makes sense in

00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:44.639
theory and then you think about doing it and

00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:49.840
i'm like I don't know. Like surely the fall would

00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:53.059
not be comfortable. I want to see a video of

00:53:53.059 --> 00:53:56.619
it working. Do you have any videos of it? I don't

00:53:56.619 --> 00:53:59.199
know because literally nobody climbed on it.

00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:01.960
But I'll try to find one because that's very

00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:04.059
interesting. But yeah, I was not going to be

00:54:04.059 --> 00:54:07.820
the one to test it out before competing. But

00:54:07.820 --> 00:54:11.760
yeah, genuinely never heard of that before. And

00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:13.559
they had them in like quite a few of the gyms.

00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:15.380
I want to say three out of four of the gyms had

00:54:15.380 --> 00:54:18.000
them. Yeah so I mean that would never fly here

00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:21.559
because a lot of the gyms I go to now aren't

00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:23.880
even allowed to have regular auto belays because

00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:30.000
of like liability issues. So yeah that would

00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.940
never happen here. But yeah honestly I do think

00:54:32.940 --> 00:54:36.659
that like I would rather climb on an auto belay

00:54:36.659 --> 00:54:39.539
than boulder like if I was going for fun which

00:54:39.539 --> 00:54:41.840
I don't think a lot of people would agree with.

00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:45.090
Yeah I mean I guess with bouldering you would

00:54:45.090 --> 00:54:49.150
get more like hard move variety yeah into your

00:54:49.150 --> 00:54:52.590
training yeah like I feel like if you're going

00:54:52.590 --> 00:54:56.309
recreationally like the concept is fun yeah for

00:54:56.309 --> 00:55:00.530
sure but I think earlier I was saying I'm surprised

00:55:00.530 --> 00:55:03.230
that you even get high level training in if your

00:55:03.230 --> 00:55:06.130
lead routes don't get reset that often we do

00:55:06.130 --> 00:55:09.889
our best like it's I would say the situation

00:55:09.889 --> 00:55:13.989
is less than ideal but Yeah, we do our best.

00:55:14.110 --> 00:55:20.110
It's, like, I think for me, I don't feel the

00:55:20.110 --> 00:55:22.469
need to, like, really complain about the gyms

00:55:22.469 --> 00:55:24.409
because, like, the reality is that I have no

00:55:24.409 --> 00:55:27.710
choice. Yeah. But do you just, like, climb the

00:55:27.710 --> 00:55:30.630
same lead route over and over again? Yeah. Yeah.

00:55:30.969 --> 00:55:33.750
Interesting. There's, I think, I want to say

00:55:33.750 --> 00:55:41.449
four 13s up and maybe eight 12s. And, like, basically

00:55:41.449 --> 00:55:44.230
we do them all every time. That's your, like,

00:55:44.289 --> 00:55:47.710
climbing training routine? Mm -hmm. Interesting.

00:55:47.829 --> 00:55:50.469
So, like, I get a lot of reps in on these routes

00:55:50.469 --> 00:55:53.730
because we do lead, like, at this gym three days

00:55:53.730 --> 00:55:56.710
a week, and then we go to another lead gym, but

00:55:56.710 --> 00:56:00.849
it's, like, pretty small. Like, the other lead

00:56:00.849 --> 00:56:05.989
gym, 30 feet, and there's no AC. Oh, my gosh,

00:56:06.030 --> 00:56:08.900
in Arizona. Yeah. And, like, they don't even

00:56:08.900 --> 00:56:12.039
do monochromatic coloring. Like, they have tape.

00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:14.780
Oh, it's old school. Yeah. Wow. But we make it

00:56:14.780 --> 00:56:18.340
work. Like, that's part of the fun of it, making

00:56:18.340 --> 00:56:21.739
it work with what you have. Huh. And even recently,

00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:25.000
like, we got more bouldering gyms. Do you, like,

00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:28.159
make up your own lead routes? Is that a thing

00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:31.079
people do? I've actually heard of them doing

00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:33.940
that in Japan, but I don't think they fill in

00:56:33.940 --> 00:56:37.489
enough where we live to, like, be able to do

00:56:37.489 --> 00:56:41.869
that. Also, how would you remember? The legions

00:56:41.869 --> 00:56:45.329
in Japan are so full. How are you remembering

00:56:45.329 --> 00:56:50.269
any of the holds? Yeah, I am not the one to ask

00:56:50.269 --> 00:56:53.550
about that. I'm more of the kind of climber where

00:56:53.550 --> 00:56:56.230
I start to read something and I'm like, I got

00:56:56.230 --> 00:56:57.929
kind of bored reading, so I'm just going to get

00:56:57.929 --> 00:57:01.190
on it now. Yeah. No, I think that's fair. Well,

00:57:01.329 --> 00:57:04.429
it's impressive that you managed to get where

00:57:04.429 --> 00:57:07.619
you are with not with just climbing the same

00:57:07.619 --> 00:57:09.480
lead route over and over again. That's wild.

00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:14.920
So in terms of training tactics that you didn't

00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:16.880
find helpful, you mentioned that you don't feel

00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:18.440
like hangboarding. Was that helpful for you?

00:57:18.659 --> 00:57:23.460
I think that like for a lot of climbers that

00:57:23.460 --> 00:57:25.539
started when they were really young, I feel like

00:57:25.539 --> 00:57:28.320
for the most part, your hands are already pretty

00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:31.519
built up. Like I started when I was three. And

00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:35.210
so like, I don't feel like I have. a crimping

00:57:35.210 --> 00:57:38.369
problem at all and I feel like a lot of people

00:57:38.369 --> 00:57:41.110
that compete on the circuit probably have a similar

00:57:41.110 --> 00:57:45.389
feeling I think I would actually recommend that

00:57:45.389 --> 00:57:48.690
people climb on the moon board over hangboarding

00:57:48.690 --> 00:57:51.710
because I feel like then you're getting the crimps

00:57:51.710 --> 00:57:55.349
and the pulling I don't know I even I see so

00:57:55.349 --> 00:57:57.909
many people at the gyms we go to like warming

00:57:57.909 --> 00:58:01.550
up like with the the crimp block with the weights

00:58:01.550 --> 00:58:04.880
on the floor Like, I feel like I need, like,

00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:08.260
jugs. And, like, I need to warm up a lot before

00:58:08.260 --> 00:58:10.500
I'm, like, pulling on my hands like that. But

00:58:10.500 --> 00:58:13.260
whatever works for people. I don't know. But,

00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:15.059
yeah, I have found that, like, the moon board

00:58:15.059 --> 00:58:19.840
I prefer over hanging on the hang board. Yeah.

00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:24.130
I mean, I agree with that. But I also just kind

00:58:24.130 --> 00:58:26.409
of don't like hangboarding because it's, like,

00:58:26.429 --> 00:58:29.989
super boring. But I guess I thought that it would

00:58:29.989 --> 00:58:33.710
at least maybe be more helpful for lead climbers

00:58:33.710 --> 00:58:36.510
rather than boulders because you're, like, spending

00:58:36.510 --> 00:58:39.489
more time on the wall and kind of on smaller

00:58:39.489 --> 00:58:43.329
holds in lead, it seems like, in terms of, like,

00:58:43.329 --> 00:58:46.250
competition -wise. I think that's probably, like,

00:58:46.389 --> 00:58:50.219
I think we definitely are on smaller holds. for

00:58:50.219 --> 00:58:52.440
the most part like I think for bouldering they

00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:56.400
use like a lot bigger volumes and stuff but I

00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:59.719
don't know that we're ever crimping that small

00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:02.719
I don't know like I don't feel like the crimps

00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:06.079
are that small to where it's like I feel like

00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:10.360
it's a detriment to not hangboard I do think

00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:12.719
that in terms of like things that I struggle

00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:14.699
with more it is like a little bit more power

00:59:14.699 --> 00:59:18.300
and pulling and so I find that like the moonboard

00:59:18.860 --> 00:59:21.340
And even the TB2 is like an easier way for me

00:59:21.340 --> 00:59:23.579
to work on that. But you think a lot of it is

00:59:23.579 --> 00:59:26.460
because like the people on the circuit grew up

00:59:26.460 --> 00:59:29.659
climbing and so they already have strong fingers

00:59:29.659 --> 00:59:33.980
from that. Yeah, I do. I think, I mean, if you

00:59:33.980 --> 00:59:36.500
started climbing when you were five, your hands

00:59:36.500 --> 00:59:39.400
have probably built up like a lot of the crimping

00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:42.260
ability that they need to. I guess moving on

00:59:42.260 --> 00:59:46.139
to... your like health issues that you had kind

00:59:46.139 --> 00:59:48.000
of brought up earlier are you like comfortable

00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:54.739
going into that yeah for sure I think there was

00:59:54.739 --> 00:59:59.699
a period of my life where basically every time

00:59:59.699 --> 01:00:03.760
I ate like I would feel so so sick and I had

01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:06.860
the worst insomnia ever like I was maybe sleeping

01:00:06.860 --> 01:00:10.039
like three or four hours a night and my stomach

01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:13.980
would hurt all the time and I had like really

01:00:13.980 --> 01:00:18.679
bad brain fog to the point where a school assignment

01:00:18.679 --> 01:00:21.119
that should take me like 30 minutes would take

01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:25.599
like three to four hours it was that bad I couldn't

01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:29.820
I felt like I had no brain ability and when I

01:00:29.820 --> 01:00:33.280
would try to climb like I felt like I had no

01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:37.219
power in my arms at all and this I want to say

01:00:37.219 --> 01:00:40.099
went on for like eight months and I just never

01:00:40.099 --> 01:00:44.179
said anything oh geez and No one could tell?

01:00:44.980 --> 01:00:47.659
I mean, I think it was hard because like I still

01:00:47.659 --> 01:00:51.920
was eating and I was submitting my assignments

01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:55.039
and I was doing like I was going to the gym.

01:00:56.139 --> 01:01:00.739
But I just like felt super off and I was getting

01:01:00.739 --> 01:01:05.079
sick like I want to say every couple weeks. And

01:01:05.079 --> 01:01:07.980
so I think my parents were just like, wow, you

01:01:07.980 --> 01:01:09.559
just keep getting sick. Like that's probably

01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:11.880
why you're tired and not feeling well because

01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:15.710
I was sick. a lot because my body just couldn't

01:01:15.710 --> 01:01:19.769
fight off anything and so I was trying to train

01:01:19.769 --> 01:01:21.570
and like I was trying to push myself as hard

01:01:21.570 --> 01:01:24.869
as I could but I just like I just felt so bad

01:01:24.869 --> 01:01:29.710
all the time and I ended up qualifying for youth

01:01:29.710 --> 01:01:34.750
worlds in Korea like that for lead and it just

01:01:34.750 --> 01:01:37.250
at that point it had been like seven months and

01:01:37.250 --> 01:01:40.030
I was like man like what's going on like I can't

01:01:40.030 --> 01:01:46.000
do anything and We ended up going to Korea and

01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:50.659
I climbed so bad. Like, I don't even know what

01:01:50.659 --> 01:01:52.980
place I got, but I don't actually think that

01:01:52.980 --> 01:01:55.760
I even bouldered that bad at a World Cup. Like,

01:01:55.780 --> 01:01:59.039
I want to say I got like 45th or something. And

01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:03.179
my parents were just like, what? Like, what was

01:02:03.179 --> 01:02:06.639
that? Like, that was crazy. And then I ended

01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:09.480
up telling them all my symptoms. And, of course,

01:02:09.500 --> 01:02:11.400
they were like, why didn't you say something?

01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:14.539
Like, we could have gone to the doctor. And I

01:02:14.539 --> 01:02:17.400
was just like, I didn't know. Like, I didn't

01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:19.119
want people to know that I was struggling so

01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:22.860
much. And, like, I mean, it felt like every session

01:02:22.860 --> 01:02:25.340
I went to, like, I was just exhausted. And, like,

01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:28.599
I could barely even summon the energy to get

01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:31.559
myself to the gym. And so, like, I wasn't climbing

01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:33.880
that well. But I was trying the best I could.

01:02:34.579 --> 01:02:38.289
And so after we got home from Korea. We went

01:02:38.289 --> 01:02:41.670
to the doctor and they did a blood test for me

01:02:41.670 --> 01:02:47.250
and they tested my B12 levels. And it turned

01:02:47.250 --> 01:02:51.309
out that my levels were like 150 when for the

01:02:51.309 --> 01:02:57.070
typical person, they're like 900. And so the

01:02:57.070 --> 01:02:59.150
doctor was like, yeah, that's kind of bad. Just

01:02:59.150 --> 01:03:03.389
start taking vitamins like over the counter.

01:03:03.610 --> 01:03:06.469
And so I was like, surely that's not what's causing

01:03:06.469 --> 01:03:10.599
this. But I started taking the vitamins and then

01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:14.039
a couple of months went by and we went to elite

01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:17.440
nationals in Idaho and I wasn't feeling better.

01:03:17.500 --> 01:03:19.280
And it was like the same thing again. Like I

01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:22.800
climbed so bad and I honestly, I wanted to quit.

01:03:22.860 --> 01:03:24.940
I didn't even want to go to Idaho. I told my

01:03:24.940 --> 01:03:26.679
mom, I was like, I'm not feeling better. Like

01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:29.139
I'm not going to do well. I don't want to go.

01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:33.679
And she was like, let's just go and see how it

01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:36.550
works out. And it didn't go well. And it was

01:03:36.550 --> 01:03:39.190
like, it even more reinforced my idea of like,

01:03:39.210 --> 01:03:41.329
I'm just so tired of this. Like, it's not even

01:03:41.329 --> 01:03:45.510
fun to climb anymore. And after that, we went

01:03:45.510 --> 01:03:48.269
back to the doctor and they were like, okay,

01:03:48.309 --> 01:03:52.250
let's start doing shots. And so they started

01:03:52.250 --> 01:03:58.510
giving me like B12 injections. And I was getting

01:03:58.510 --> 01:04:02.389
them once a week. I did that for like two months.

01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:05.739
And I like I actually felt like the life come

01:04:05.739 --> 01:04:08.920
back to me. Like I felt like a whole different

01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:11.559
person because I had never felt that bad in my

01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:13.139
life. And that's why I was like, maybe it'll

01:04:13.139 --> 01:04:16.179
go away. Like maybe something's just I don't

01:04:16.179 --> 01:04:18.400
know. Like I just couldn't figure out why I was

01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:22.539
feeling so bad. And then once I started getting

01:04:22.539 --> 01:04:25.639
them again, like the shots, I felt so much better

01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:29.280
because you don't think like. Like if someone

01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:31.579
was telling me that a vitamin deficiency would

01:04:31.579 --> 01:04:34.000
make me feel like that. Yeah, I've like never

01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:37.400
heard of that before. Seriously, they told us

01:04:37.400 --> 01:04:39.599
that and I was like, that cannot be right. Like

01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:42.139
that cannot be the issue. There's just no way.

01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:46.980
And so I had the shots and I was feeling so much

01:04:46.980 --> 01:04:49.920
better. And then they were like, okay, you don't

01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:52.440
need them anymore. Or like you can get them once

01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:54.320
a month. Like you're fine. Your levels are back.

01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:58.059
And so I was like, OK, because I was feeling

01:04:58.059 --> 01:05:01.139
better and like I didn't know. And so I started

01:05:01.139 --> 01:05:04.860
training again and climbing more. And yeah, I

01:05:04.860 --> 01:05:07.579
ended up getting sick again, like not to the

01:05:07.579 --> 01:05:10.920
same extent. But I kind of knew like once I started

01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:12.980
feeling bad, I was like, OK, I'll tell my parents

01:05:12.980 --> 01:05:15.500
and we'll go back in. Yeah. And so it's kind

01:05:15.500 --> 01:05:18.559
of just since then been like trying to figure

01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:22.679
out what I actually need, like how often I need

01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:25.340
the shots and like. I've gotten my blood drawn

01:05:25.340 --> 01:05:27.960
a bunch just to find out like what my levels

01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:31.639
are, because you don't. You don't really know,

01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:34.199
like it's hard to know how often your body needs

01:05:34.199 --> 01:05:38.019
it. And even last season, like we went to China

01:05:38.019 --> 01:05:40.019
for two and a half weeks and I didn't get a shot

01:05:40.019 --> 01:05:41.920
the whole time. And by the time we got back,

01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:44.340
I was like, yeah, I could just tell like I was

01:05:44.340 --> 01:05:47.500
feeling kind of run down. And it was the same.

01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:49.800
We went to Innsbruck for three weeks and actually

01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:52.559
right before the comp, I was like, we have to

01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:55.050
do something like I. I'm feeling so sick again.

01:05:55.269 --> 01:05:58.849
And we ended up like scouring the Internet for

01:05:58.849 --> 01:06:01.050
a doctor's office that would be able to give

01:06:01.050 --> 01:06:06.849
me a B12 shot in Innsbruck. Yeah. And it's like

01:06:06.849 --> 01:06:10.110
obviously that's not the ideal situation. And

01:06:10.110 --> 01:06:12.710
so this season we have been like we went back

01:06:12.710 --> 01:06:16.469
into the doctor and they taught my dad how to

01:06:16.469 --> 01:06:19.969
give me the shots. And I learned how to do it.

01:06:20.050 --> 01:06:22.389
And so now like when we travel. I'm just able

01:06:22.389 --> 01:06:25.949
to do it to myself. So now, like, I'm getting

01:06:25.949 --> 01:06:28.809
an injection once a week. Oh, that's a lot. To

01:06:28.809 --> 01:06:32.969
make sure that, like, yeah. Because I don't know.

01:06:33.010 --> 01:06:36.309
I guess they said, like, the more stress your

01:06:36.309 --> 01:06:39.369
body's under and the more stress you're facing,

01:06:39.550 --> 01:06:42.550
then, like, it'll make you feel more depleted.

01:06:43.230 --> 01:06:45.590
And so just because of, like, what I'm doing,

01:06:45.710 --> 01:06:49.150
then I need once a week. But when I have them,

01:06:49.190 --> 01:06:52.280
like, right now I'm feeling great. And so I think

01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:56.519
like that did play a role because I was training

01:06:56.519 --> 01:06:59.679
as much as I could at the time. But I just I

01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:02.340
couldn't give a lot of energy to it because I

01:07:02.340 --> 01:07:05.159
just didn't have any energy. Oh, yeah, for sure.

01:07:05.199 --> 01:07:07.679
And so it was like I was trying like I still

01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:11.179
made youth worlds, but it just I just didn't

01:07:11.179 --> 01:07:15.460
feel like myself for like quite a while. And

01:07:15.460 --> 01:07:17.739
then right when we started to figure that out,

01:07:17.780 --> 01:07:20.989
then I injured my knee. so it was like eight

01:07:20.989 --> 01:07:25.530
months in a knee brace and like trying to climbing

01:07:25.530 --> 01:07:29.809
related or it was but the weird thing was I did

01:07:29.809 --> 01:07:34.750
it on lead yeah like I don't know I was just

01:07:34.750 --> 01:07:36.530
on a route and like something in my knee popped

01:07:36.530 --> 01:07:40.090
and yeah and so then like that made it tricky

01:07:40.090 --> 01:07:43.210
but yeah basically like the first comp I did

01:07:43.210 --> 01:07:46.650
back where I didn't have any knee issues and

01:07:46.650 --> 01:07:51.690
I wasn't sick was team trials in Austin last

01:07:51.690 --> 01:07:56.750
year I guess now year and a half ago yeah and

01:07:56.750 --> 01:08:01.070
I did pretty well and since then it's like I

01:08:01.070 --> 01:08:03.110
don't know we have stepped it up and like just

01:08:03.110 --> 01:08:05.510
because I'm able to now but yeah it was definitely

01:08:05.510 --> 01:08:08.690
tough because it's hard just not just like to

01:08:08.690 --> 01:08:11.190
not know what's going on with you oh yeah it's

01:08:11.190 --> 01:08:13.510
like it's hard because you feel so off and like

01:08:13.510 --> 01:08:16.789
you do want to commit more to training and like

01:08:16.789 --> 01:08:20.720
trying to compete but I just couldn't like my

01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:24.060
body just couldn't do it and I think that's okay

01:08:24.060 --> 01:08:27.760
like if I could change anything I would have

01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:30.000
said something like immediately because I do

01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:31.899
think it would have saved me like a lot of time

01:08:31.899 --> 01:08:36.479
and hardship but it's like that's the decision

01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:39.159
I made at the time and so it's like now we can

01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:43.100
just continue from there but I do feel like that's

01:08:43.100 --> 01:08:46.600
part of the reason that it's like taken me a

01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:51.239
bit to reach a higher level because it just like

01:08:51.239 --> 01:08:54.199
it does take so much time to build up fitness

01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:58.180
and so I did have like basically two years where

01:08:58.180 --> 01:09:01.840
I wasn't able to train like how I wanted to and

01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:06.199
so even though I do know that I was doing the

01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:09.199
best I could like it obviously was not the level

01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:12.239
that I'm training now and so I think that's why

01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:16.550
it seems like it's a really big jump. Just because

01:09:16.550 --> 01:09:19.930
like I was having so many health issues. That

01:09:19.930 --> 01:09:25.109
makes sense. So I guess to like recap on how

01:09:25.109 --> 01:09:28.250
to like train harder, make sure that your health

01:09:28.250 --> 01:09:31.569
is in check and try as hard as you can. Yeah,

01:09:31.609 --> 01:09:34.890
I'd say that's it. It's just really hard if you're

01:09:34.890 --> 01:09:38.430
injured to train how you need to be training.

01:09:38.670 --> 01:09:41.050
That's why I do feel like recovery is pretty

01:09:41.050 --> 01:09:43.510
important. Like making sure that you're stretching

01:09:43.510 --> 01:09:47.579
and... Even getting massages and getting needling

01:09:47.579 --> 01:09:51.939
and doing cupping at home, I think it all helps.

01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:55.899
You're not able to train as hard as you want

01:09:55.899 --> 01:09:58.060
to if you're not recovered the way that you need

01:09:58.060 --> 01:10:00.439
to be. Okay. Well, thanks for sharing. That's

01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:04.199
crazy to hear. And maybe if anyone is experiencing

01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:07.039
similar symptoms, they can get that checked out.

01:10:07.390 --> 01:10:10.829
Yeah, seriously. So going on to your goals for

01:10:10.829 --> 01:10:14.649
the future, do you have an idea for like the

01:10:14.649 --> 01:10:17.350
rest of the season and next season, which I guess

01:10:17.350 --> 01:10:20.310
is Olympic qualifier season? Is that something

01:10:20.310 --> 01:10:24.390
you're interested in? I mean, yeah, I think like

01:10:24.390 --> 01:10:26.829
everyone's got to be like it's got to be in the

01:10:26.829 --> 01:10:29.149
back of everyone's mind. But I do think like

01:10:29.149 --> 01:10:32.850
making a final was like a huge deal for me. And

01:10:32.850 --> 01:10:35.609
so I think that was cool. But I think just like

01:10:35.609 --> 01:10:37.649
trying to do the best I can and try to finish

01:10:37.649 --> 01:10:40.829
out the season strong and have another good preseason.

01:10:41.470 --> 01:10:43.970
I don't know. I really am like focused on just

01:10:43.970 --> 01:10:46.449
doing the best I can because I think like that's

01:10:46.449 --> 01:10:48.729
all you can do. And I think once you start worrying

01:10:48.729 --> 01:10:51.250
about like, oh, if I do this, then that means

01:10:51.250 --> 01:10:53.550
that for my future. It's like it can get in your

01:10:53.550 --> 01:10:57.130
head and it does make it harder to perform the

01:10:57.130 --> 01:11:00.569
way you want to. I don't know. So just like.

01:11:01.069 --> 01:11:03.130
Doing what I can in training so that I can do

01:11:03.130 --> 01:11:06.170
the best I can at the comps. Like, that's kind

01:11:06.170 --> 01:11:10.829
of my perspective. I think, like, because nobody

01:11:10.829 --> 01:11:15.810
around me, like, competes at this level and I

01:11:15.810 --> 01:11:20.350
never see anyone in training, it is a little

01:11:20.350 --> 01:11:22.449
bit easier for me to have that perspective because

01:11:22.449 --> 01:11:24.890
I do go to the comps and I'm like, nobody knows

01:11:24.890 --> 01:11:28.229
where I'm at, including me. So it's like... we're

01:11:28.229 --> 01:11:31.170
all gonna find out together I think that's I

01:11:31.170 --> 01:11:33.489
think that's kind of nice because like of course

01:11:33.489 --> 01:11:36.369
my dad can tell me like oh you're your level's

01:11:36.369 --> 01:11:38.210
really good like it's gonna be good and like

01:11:38.210 --> 01:11:40.390
I can feel that I have gotten stronger and like

01:11:40.390 --> 01:11:45.010
I can see that like the work is paying off but

01:11:45.010 --> 01:11:47.750
then you don't know like how you're gonna compare

01:11:47.750 --> 01:11:50.449
to other people when you go to the comps like

01:11:50.449 --> 01:11:52.930
I really felt like that going into nationals

01:11:52.930 --> 01:11:55.670
and team trials this year because I really had

01:11:55.670 --> 01:11:58.689
no idea like we had a really really good preseason

01:11:58.689 --> 01:12:02.729
and I was like okay like let's let's see like

01:12:02.729 --> 01:12:06.510
let's see what what I can do and it is kind of

01:12:06.510 --> 01:12:08.449
fun to do that like I felt that a little bit

01:12:08.449 --> 01:12:11.590
going into China like I had no expectations really

01:12:11.590 --> 01:12:14.069
it's like let me just do the best I can and like

01:12:14.069 --> 01:12:17.289
see how it turns out and it ended up being like

01:12:17.289 --> 01:12:20.350
plus away from finals it's like it is kind of

01:12:20.350 --> 01:12:23.050
fun to have that what becomes hard is like then

01:12:23.050 --> 01:12:25.930
you start putting Like, more expectations on

01:12:25.930 --> 01:12:27.930
yourself. Yeah, for sure. Because it was, like,

01:12:28.010 --> 01:12:30.510
I did do really well in the first two comps of

01:12:30.510 --> 01:12:33.350
the season. And it's like, okay, then you do

01:12:33.350 --> 01:12:36.350
want to continue that. And so it can become more

01:12:36.350 --> 01:12:40.029
stressful of, like, I was really good last week.

01:12:40.170 --> 01:12:42.989
Like, I need to really focus. And it doesn't

01:12:42.989 --> 01:12:45.909
make it easier. Like, it really makes it a lot

01:12:45.909 --> 01:12:49.250
harder to have that perspective, I think. And

01:12:49.250 --> 01:12:53.090
so just, like, yeah, trying to focus on, I don't

01:12:53.090 --> 01:12:55.409
know, doing the best I can. showing up as my

01:12:55.409 --> 01:12:57.689
best self yeah I guess that's like a very chill

01:12:57.689 --> 01:13:01.470
way to think about it or the chillest way I've

01:13:01.470 --> 01:13:04.630
heard at least talking to several athletes um

01:13:04.630 --> 01:13:09.250
do you like aspire to be like in the comp scene

01:13:09.250 --> 01:13:12.470
for a long time or like have a career in climbing

01:13:12.470 --> 01:13:15.289
I think for sure like I'm really enjoying it

01:13:15.289 --> 01:13:20.189
this season I think I really enjoy training like

01:13:20.189 --> 01:13:23.699
I enjoy the process And so I think like as long

01:13:23.699 --> 01:13:26.220
as I'm enjoying it, I'll keep going. You also

01:13:26.220 --> 01:13:29.060
mentioned that you like coach the youth team

01:13:29.060 --> 01:13:32.039
in Arizona. Do you find that coaching helps with

01:13:32.039 --> 01:13:35.680
your climbing lunch? I think so. Like it's fun

01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:38.659
to do something different. And I think like sometimes

01:13:38.659 --> 01:13:41.939
there's things that I don't even think about

01:13:41.939 --> 01:13:47.800
that the kids like want to know. Like I'll give

01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:49.840
beta sometimes and they're like, well, why is

01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:52.600
it that way? and then I'm like you know what

01:13:52.600 --> 01:13:55.680
I didn't even think to explain or like think

01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:58.560
about when I was doing it like why that's the

01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:00.939
way that it works but then once I explained it

01:14:00.939 --> 01:14:02.640
to them they're like oh that makes so much sense

01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:06.779
and then it's in my head like this is why this

01:14:06.779 --> 01:14:10.039
movement works and I think it's just like you

01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:13.560
just think about things more which I think can

01:14:13.560 --> 01:14:17.079
be helpful like just climbing movement because

01:14:17.079 --> 01:14:19.479
they are young like they're learning these movements

01:14:19.479 --> 01:14:22.640
for the first time And so it's like, I don't

01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:25.319
know, I've been doing a lot of the moves since

01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:27.899
I was, I don't know, five or six. So it does

01:14:27.899 --> 01:14:29.579
get to the point where like you don't even think

01:14:29.579 --> 01:14:31.640
about it like that anymore. Is like coaching

01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:34.760
something you want to do long term or is it just

01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:39.100
like you got to make some money before? I don't

01:14:39.100 --> 01:14:42.859
know. I'm not I do enjoy it. But I think I don't

01:14:42.859 --> 01:14:44.979
know, especially with like my school starting

01:14:44.979 --> 01:14:47.939
up again and the trainee schedule. It's yeah.

01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:50.979
I'm like going to be taking a step back from

01:14:50.979 --> 01:14:53.640
coaching for a little bit, I think. How do you

01:14:53.640 --> 01:14:57.960
balance school and training and I guess coaching,

01:14:58.039 --> 01:15:00.859
but not coaching anymore? I think because of

01:15:00.859 --> 01:15:03.060
the schedule we're on, it does make it a little

01:15:03.060 --> 01:15:06.739
bit easier. This semester I'm going all online,

01:15:06.939 --> 01:15:10.039
but previous semesters I was going in person.

01:15:10.979 --> 01:15:15.420
And so like classes are normally midday. So getting

01:15:15.420 --> 01:15:19.439
up early and then going. at night it like just

01:15:19.439 --> 01:15:22.039
works pretty well because it's like there's no

01:15:22.039 --> 01:15:26.000
conflict really I will say like my first semester

01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:29.199
we were getting up at like four to go to the

01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:32.260
gym yeah and I would go to the gym and then I

01:15:32.260 --> 01:15:36.159
had class from like nine to two because the school

01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:39.000
built my schedule and I had no say and it was

01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:41.239
heinous oh my god then I would go straight from

01:15:41.239 --> 01:15:43.619
school to the gym again like I was pretty I don't

01:15:43.619 --> 01:15:48.159
think that was my best self yeah but Yeah, after

01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:51.180
that semester, I definitely was like a little

01:15:51.180 --> 01:15:53.920
more intentional about the classes I was doing

01:15:53.920 --> 01:15:57.640
because like I got to pick them and like just

01:15:57.640 --> 01:15:59.979
trying to make sure I wasn't like overloading

01:15:59.979 --> 01:16:04.899
my schedule and making things as easy as I could

01:16:04.899 --> 01:16:08.100
for myself, which is why this semester I'm going

01:16:08.100 --> 01:16:10.979
all online. Yeah, that makes it a lot easier.

01:16:11.140 --> 01:16:14.079
I can't even imagine like going in the morning

01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:16.300
and then going to school and then going again

01:16:16.300 --> 01:16:18.579
and then also having like homework and stuff.

01:16:18.859 --> 01:16:21.359
Yeah, I was tired. I'm not going to lie. Like

01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:25.960
it was a long semester. But yeah, they just also

01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:28.640
I think it's hard to go in person because they

01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:31.460
do not care about your sport. They don't care.

01:16:32.020 --> 01:16:35.880
Like you have to be there every day. There was

01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:40.899
we went to. worlds in korea and i it was like

01:16:40.899 --> 01:16:44.579
a big thing because we had our lab final and

01:16:44.579 --> 01:16:47.539
the teachers would not work with me at all and

01:16:47.539 --> 01:16:49.739
i ended up having to get a letter from our federation

01:16:49.739 --> 01:16:52.760
that i could send her oh wow really yeah because

01:16:52.760 --> 01:16:55.239
they just they just don't care like if it's if

01:16:55.239 --> 01:16:58.800
it's not a sport that's through the school they

01:16:58.800 --> 01:17:02.159
won't really work with you which is tough yeah

01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:05.270
but i guess i could see that like I can understand

01:17:05.270 --> 01:17:07.550
it because I'm sure they do get a lot of excuses

01:17:07.550 --> 01:17:11.270
as to why like people aren't showing up. But

01:17:11.270 --> 01:17:15.590
it's hard, which is why I am like just because

01:17:15.590 --> 01:17:19.090
I'm competing a little more and traveling. I'm

01:17:19.090 --> 01:17:22.970
doing it online for the foreseeable future. Is

01:17:22.970 --> 01:17:26.529
it like otherwise kind of easy to manage like

01:17:26.529 --> 01:17:29.930
having to travel around? I don't know. I'm getting

01:17:29.930 --> 01:17:33.529
a biology degree. So it's like kind of hard.

01:17:34.110 --> 01:17:37.789
And yeah, if you miss one class, you come back

01:17:37.789 --> 01:17:40.810
and you're like, like, what's going on? Yeah.

01:17:40.909 --> 01:17:45.970
And so I know. So it's kind of tough. Like, I

01:17:45.970 --> 01:17:48.609
think just trying to make sure I'm not taking

01:17:48.609 --> 01:17:51.270
too many hard classes because like I do still

01:17:51.270 --> 01:17:54.789
want to do well. And so I don't know, just being

01:17:54.789 --> 01:17:58.359
a little more choosy right now. But even like

01:17:58.359 --> 01:18:01.119
last semester, there were a lot of camps in Salt

01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:03.279
Lake that I wanted to go to and I couldn't go

01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:07.039
because I had already missed so many classes.

01:18:07.930 --> 01:18:11.210
But yeah, I think it is tough to go in person

01:18:11.210 --> 01:18:15.050
and also compete and try to work around it. Well,

01:18:15.149 --> 01:18:17.470
hopefully this year it'll be a little bit easier

01:18:17.470 --> 01:18:20.590
with the online classes. Yeah, I think so. I

01:18:20.590 --> 01:18:23.689
guess outside of taking classes and then climbing,

01:18:23.770 --> 01:18:27.189
do you have time for any other hobbies or things

01:18:27.189 --> 01:18:30.229
you like to do outside of these two big things?

01:18:30.590 --> 01:18:36.680
Not a ton of time, but I don't know. I just kind

01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:38.939
of like it this way. Like I like to be busy.

01:18:38.979 --> 01:18:42.140
I like to be scheduled. Like basically every

01:18:42.140 --> 01:18:45.859
day except Friday, I know exactly what's expected

01:18:45.859 --> 01:18:48.220
of me and exactly what I'm going to do. It's

01:18:48.220 --> 01:18:51.119
like a to -do list in my brain of like these

01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:52.819
are the things that need to happen. And like

01:18:52.819 --> 01:18:55.279
I like it that way. On my rest days, I'm like,

01:18:55.319 --> 01:18:57.300
what am I going to do? Like I'm kind of bored.

01:18:58.340 --> 01:19:00.800
And like I just like going to the gym. I like

01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:05.479
climbing. So yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't know

01:19:05.479 --> 01:19:07.840
that I would change much about like my current

01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:10.739
situation. Well, so then what do you do on your

01:19:10.739 --> 01:19:13.739
rest days? I think if I ever have appointments,

01:19:13.819 --> 01:19:18.500
they go on Fridays. So like very exciting. Yeah.

01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:23.300
So today I had needling for my neck and back.

01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:27.039
And yeah, I don't know. I like to read books

01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:30.060
and just like hang out and rest. Like really

01:19:30.060 --> 01:19:33.659
on Fridays, I do not do much. Because I am tired

01:19:33.659 --> 01:19:37.079
and like I want to prioritize like resting as

01:19:37.079 --> 01:19:39.840
much as I can. Cool. Well, I think that's all

01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:43.119
the questions I had then. Let's get into a few

01:19:43.119 --> 01:19:46.180
of the audience questions that came in. The first

01:19:46.180 --> 01:19:49.420
one was from Instagram from totally not underscore

01:19:49.420 --> 01:19:52.880
Soko. How do you deal with the pressure of cops?

01:19:53.579 --> 01:19:57.300
That's a good question. I think like I do think

01:19:57.300 --> 01:20:00.460
as you keep competing, it gets easier. Like I

01:20:00.460 --> 01:20:03.869
know that's maybe. not the answer that you want

01:20:03.869 --> 01:20:07.210
but I think like just with anything it's like

01:20:07.210 --> 01:20:09.590
the more you do something it does feel a little

01:20:09.590 --> 01:20:13.310
bit easier and even like at the youth level like

01:20:13.310 --> 01:20:16.609
you get more used to competing when I was a kid

01:20:16.609 --> 01:20:19.489
my dad would take me to like every comp there

01:20:19.489 --> 01:20:23.029
was like we would drive to California and we

01:20:23.029 --> 01:20:24.689
had a van and we would sleep in the van and then

01:20:24.689 --> 01:20:28.170
I would oh wow yeah because it just like obviously

01:20:28.170 --> 01:20:31.399
it was expensive to do it but it's It's just

01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:34.579
getting the reps in, I think. And it's like even

01:20:34.579 --> 01:20:37.520
with the World Cups, you know, climbing my first

01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:40.460
semi was really nerve wracking. Even climbing

01:20:40.460 --> 01:20:43.880
the semi in Innsbruck, like that's not often

01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:45.500
that you climb in front of that many people.

01:20:46.159 --> 01:20:48.380
So I think just like getting used to it and like

01:20:48.380 --> 01:20:50.579
you will build more confidence and you get used

01:20:50.579 --> 01:20:52.739
to the process and like it does feel a little

01:20:52.739 --> 01:20:55.960
bit less intimidating. Yeah. And I guess. I mean,

01:20:55.979 --> 01:20:59.380
I'm in San Diego right now, so I think it's like

01:20:59.380 --> 01:21:03.880
the same youth division region category. Yeah.

01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:07.260
And I feel like Arizona always seems further

01:21:07.260 --> 01:21:09.680
out than everything else around us because like

01:21:09.680 --> 01:21:11.699
L .A. is pretty close and then obviously like

01:21:11.699 --> 01:21:15.039
San Diego. And so I'm always like, I can't believe

01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:17.840
people are driving all the way from like Vegas

01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:20.680
or Arizona to come to these clubs because it's

01:21:20.680 --> 01:21:23.319
kind of far. It is kind of far, but you have

01:21:23.319 --> 01:21:26.800
to get the reps. Like I especially for the youth

01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:29.500
kids, it's like I do think it helped me a lot

01:21:29.500 --> 01:21:32.539
to get out there. And and also the kids in California

01:21:32.539 --> 01:21:36.159
are really good. So it's like it is helpful to

01:21:36.159 --> 01:21:39.800
compete against the best in the nation, which

01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:42.500
is what it was at the time. um next question

01:21:42.500 --> 01:21:46.819
this was from discord uh basically they said

01:21:46.819 --> 01:21:49.000
i saw her at u .s nationals get to the same point

01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:52.279
as brooke and lead semis so i got her on my fantasy

01:21:52.279 --> 01:21:55.140
team for the whole year um so i was just wondering

01:21:55.140 --> 01:21:59.020
have you done the fantasy climbing league at

01:21:59.020 --> 01:22:02.239
all or like do you participate i didn't even

01:22:02.239 --> 01:22:05.100
know that was a thing oh no i'm finding out for

01:22:05.100 --> 01:22:08.699
the first time how are you participating Yes,

01:22:08.739 --> 01:22:12.899
I did create a couple of fantasy teams. Oh my

01:22:12.899 --> 01:22:16.680
gosh. So. Wow. I did not know that was a thing.

01:22:17.100 --> 01:22:20.220
I feel so out of the loop. Are you interested

01:22:20.220 --> 01:22:22.920
in joining now that you're not? I don't know.

01:22:23.100 --> 01:22:26.159
Are we even allowed to join? I mean, there's

01:22:26.159 --> 01:22:28.539
no like betting. It's just like. Yeah. It's just

01:22:28.539 --> 01:22:31.760
for fun. It's just for fun. So. Yeah. I had no

01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:33.960
idea. Like I knew that was a thing for other

01:22:33.960 --> 01:22:36.579
sports. Yeah. Do a lot of people participate?

01:22:37.390 --> 01:22:39.189
I mean, I don't know what's considered a lot,

01:22:39.210 --> 01:22:41.210
but I feel like there are a lot of people. There's

01:22:41.210 --> 01:22:45.130
like maybe over a thousand in the global. Wow.

01:22:45.590 --> 01:22:48.350
Yeah. God, thank you so much for putting me on

01:22:48.350 --> 01:22:51.369
your team. Wow. I'm so honored. That's crazy.

01:22:52.050 --> 01:22:54.250
Yeah. You'll have to check it out and maybe put

01:22:54.250 --> 01:22:57.000
yourself on the team or maybe not. might put

01:22:57.000 --> 01:23:01.779
yeah yeah so the last question that i have is

01:23:01.779 --> 01:23:05.060
oh this one was also from instagram and it came

01:23:05.060 --> 01:23:07.779
from annie sanders um would you ever consider

01:23:07.779 --> 01:23:11.039
going back to schwandorf no i don't know what

01:23:11.039 --> 01:23:14.939
happened in schwandorf okay she told me that

01:23:14.939 --> 01:23:16.560
she was gonna ask a question i didn't know it

01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:20.859
was gonna be schwandorf okay what is that what

01:23:20.859 --> 01:23:24.359
happened was we were going from prague to innsbruck

01:23:24.359 --> 01:23:28.880
and And basically, like, so many people were

01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:32.079
on this train. And we got on. We were going to

01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:36.800
Munich. And, like, I want to say an hour in,

01:23:36.939 --> 01:23:38.720
they were like, okay, everyone grab your bags.

01:23:38.760 --> 01:23:41.960
We're getting off. And we were all like, what?

01:23:42.539 --> 01:23:45.920
And so we all get off. And then they put us on

01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:49.319
these buses with no AC. And they were like, it's

01:23:49.319 --> 01:23:51.539
just going to be a short journey. And so we're

01:23:51.539 --> 01:23:53.420
all like crammed on these buses with all of our

01:23:53.420 --> 01:23:55.239
bags because obviously everyone has a lot of

01:23:55.239 --> 01:23:59.020
bags. And it was so hot. I want to say it was

01:23:59.020 --> 01:24:02.220
like it felt like 120 in this bus. Like we were

01:24:02.220 --> 01:24:05.460
dying. And it ended up being like a two hour

01:24:05.460 --> 01:24:09.760
drive. Oh, gosh. And then they're like, OK, we're

01:24:09.760 --> 01:24:13.479
in Schwandorf. Everyone get off of the bus. And

01:24:13.479 --> 01:24:15.840
we're like, where are like, what is that? Like,

01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:19.659
what does that mean? And then we just stood.

01:24:20.060 --> 01:24:23.680
in schwandorf with our whole team and all these

01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:26.380
bags because we were all there for like months

01:24:26.380 --> 01:24:29.760
in europe and they were like okay just wait for

01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:32.380
the next train we waited for like 30 minutes

01:24:32.380 --> 01:24:37.260
and then a train came and yeah we got on we missed

01:24:37.260 --> 01:24:39.859
our connection to innsbruck we actually missed

01:24:39.859 --> 01:24:43.039
two connections we were supposed to get in i

01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:45.199
think at like 5 p .m it ended up being like 11

01:24:45.199 --> 01:24:49.609
p .m is a mess way past your bedtime yeah seriously

01:24:49.609 --> 01:24:52.850
like i thought i was gonna die on that bus to

01:24:52.850 --> 01:24:56.270
schwandorf it was so hot and then like halfway

01:24:56.270 --> 01:24:59.390
in the bus ride they we pulled over and like

01:24:59.390 --> 01:25:01.470
these police officers came on and were like trying

01:25:01.470 --> 01:25:03.770
to check everyone's passport and someone didn't

01:25:03.770 --> 01:25:06.069
have one and then it like created a whole problem

01:25:06.069 --> 01:25:09.729
so then we were behind the other bus yeah never

01:25:09.729 --> 01:25:12.189
going back there thanks for questioning me wow

01:25:12.189 --> 01:25:17.439
geez That's like traveling, man. Yeah. You think

01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:19.199
like, oh, it's so fun. You're like getting to

01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:21.939
go to all these places and then you're in Schwandorf.

01:25:22.220 --> 01:25:24.399
Well, so you didn't get to like see the town

01:25:24.399 --> 01:25:28.279
or anything like that? No. No, we like, yeah,

01:25:28.399 --> 01:25:33.300
we just stood at the train stop for like 45 minutes.

01:25:33.619 --> 01:25:36.340
I don't know, 30 minutes. Traveling isn't all.

01:25:36.930 --> 01:25:39.630
amazing no this makes a lot more sense because

01:25:39.630 --> 01:25:41.609
i was like looking up what is schwandorf and

01:25:41.609 --> 01:25:43.689
i looked it up briefly and i was like i don't

01:25:43.689 --> 01:25:47.750
get what this has to do with anything yeah yeah

01:25:47.750 --> 01:25:51.750
it was tough but we made it we all survived everyone

01:25:51.750 --> 01:25:55.930
had all their bags but yeah yeah there's like

01:25:55.930 --> 01:26:00.409
a picture of us all on the the bus like dying

01:26:00.409 --> 01:26:04.250
but i mean you're used to 120 because like arizona

01:26:04.729 --> 01:26:06.550
People always say that, but I don't go outside.

01:26:06.890 --> 01:26:11.010
Like, we do not spend time outside. Yeah. It

01:26:11.010 --> 01:26:14.329
is because, yeah, in Milan, it was like 98 and

01:26:14.329 --> 01:26:16.229
none of the gyms had AC and we were in these

01:26:16.229 --> 01:26:18.289
gyms every day. And people were like, you should

01:26:18.289 --> 01:26:20.630
be used to it. Like, you're from Arizona. It's

01:26:20.630 --> 01:26:22.970
like, do you know how much our ACs are cranking

01:26:22.970 --> 01:26:26.529
in Arizona? So much. Well, you go to that one

01:26:26.529 --> 01:26:30.859
gym that has no AC. Yeah, but like. Yeah, they

01:26:30.859 --> 01:26:33.640
got really good fans for us. Oh, okay. Like,

01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:38.239
industrial fans in the lead area. Yeah, they

01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:40.340
just got a new one, actually, because it's been

01:26:40.340 --> 01:26:42.840
really hot and humid because of all the rain.

01:26:43.239 --> 01:26:48.439
It's nice. So, yeah, it's like, yeah. The AC

01:26:48.439 --> 01:26:50.699
here is just too good. Like, it can't compare.

01:26:51.479 --> 01:26:53.539
So, yeah, I'm really not in the heat that much.

01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:57.140
So then when I'm in Schwandorf or the gyms in

01:26:57.140 --> 01:27:00.670
Europe, I'm like, phew. Like, it's tough. I guess

01:27:00.670 --> 01:27:03.909
in terms of like your other travel stories, do

01:27:03.909 --> 01:27:06.090
you have like a best travel moment from Europe?

01:27:06.310 --> 01:27:08.770
And like was that your worst travel moment from

01:27:08.770 --> 01:27:11.189
Europe? That was definitely my worst travel moment.

01:27:11.390 --> 01:27:14.970
I think honestly the best travel moment is when

01:27:14.970 --> 01:27:17.069
everything just works out great and you don't

01:27:17.069 --> 01:27:18.649
miss any of your flights and you're not running

01:27:18.649 --> 01:27:21.729
through the airport. Because I feel like lately

01:27:21.729 --> 01:27:24.949
it's like few and far between. When we were coming

01:27:24.949 --> 01:27:28.109
home from Chamonix, we were on the same flight,

01:27:28.210 --> 01:27:31.659
Annie and I. It was supposed to leave. I think

01:27:31.659 --> 01:27:33.399
it was supposed to leave at like 6 a .m. And

01:27:33.399 --> 01:27:37.380
there we were at noon still in Europe because

01:27:37.380 --> 01:27:39.880
everything is just I feel like lately all the

01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:42.220
flights have been delayed. So let's all cross

01:27:42.220 --> 01:27:44.239
our fingers that we make it to Coper with no

01:27:44.239 --> 01:27:48.520
delays. Do you actually like go and visit Europe

01:27:48.520 --> 01:27:50.460
when you're traveling or is it just like training

01:27:50.460 --> 01:27:55.960
and traveling? I mean, yeah, for sure. Like on

01:27:55.960 --> 01:27:58.189
rest days, we definitely like. try to get out

01:27:58.189 --> 01:28:01.250
and see things. And, like, this is our first

01:28:01.250 --> 01:28:04.130
time, or my first time in Chamonix, so it's,

01:28:04.149 --> 01:28:06.229
like, really nice to... We had a day where we,

01:28:06.270 --> 01:28:09.670
like, went all the way up to the top of whatever,

01:28:09.810 --> 01:28:12.850
and, like, we're able to tour around and see

01:28:12.850 --> 01:28:15.869
everything. Like, Europe is really pretty, and

01:28:15.869 --> 01:28:18.890
there's so much to see there, so it's pretty

01:28:18.890 --> 01:28:21.649
nice. But it seems like mostly your gripes are

01:28:21.649 --> 01:28:23.869
just with traveling and getting around. Yes,

01:28:23.869 --> 01:28:28.260
specifically the flying. It's... I mean, yeah,

01:28:28.340 --> 01:28:31.359
even last year when we went to Coper, it was

01:28:31.359 --> 01:28:35.159
like a nightmare. Like our first flight got delayed

01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:39.439
and then because of that, we missed our connection

01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:41.199
and then we weren't able to get onto another

01:28:41.199 --> 01:28:43.319
flight. So then we sat in the airport in Frankfurt

01:28:43.319 --> 01:28:47.180
for 12 hours. It's like that's kind of the vibe

01:28:47.180 --> 01:28:50.500
sometimes. Do you spend a lot of time with Annie?

01:28:50.619 --> 01:28:52.800
Do you guys train together much or it's just

01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:56.340
like you guys were both on the circuit? I wish

01:28:56.340 --> 01:28:58.760
that we could train together more. But, yeah,

01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:03.180
I don't travel too much besides the comps. But,

01:29:03.199 --> 01:29:05.920
yeah, we've known each other forever. Like, our

01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:09.659
first Youth Worlds was in Russia together. And

01:29:09.659 --> 01:29:13.100
we both made the final for lead. And, like, she

01:29:13.100 --> 01:29:15.880
ended up winning three gold medals there, which

01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:19.260
was so fun to watch. Yeah. And, yeah, I don't

01:29:19.260 --> 01:29:22.140
know. And when I was a kid, we were in the same

01:29:22.140 --> 01:29:25.649
division. so we would compete divisionals together

01:29:25.649 --> 01:29:28.609
every other year so yeah we've known each other

01:29:28.609 --> 01:29:31.770
forever and so it's super fun like to see you

01:29:31.770 --> 01:29:34.609
know how far we both come now anything that you

01:29:34.609 --> 01:29:36.970
would want to learn from her like take from her

01:29:36.970 --> 01:29:41.369
climbing oh like so much I mean obviously she's

01:29:41.369 --> 01:29:44.069
amazing and she's had a great season and just

01:29:44.069 --> 01:29:46.149
like seeing her composure and like the way she

01:29:46.149 --> 01:29:49.800
climbs and she's so confident and yeah I think

01:29:49.800 --> 01:29:51.619
like there's so much that all of us could take

01:29:51.619 --> 01:29:54.899
from her. Okay, cool. Well, I think that is all

01:29:54.899 --> 01:29:56.680
the questions I had then. Thanks for joining

01:29:56.680 --> 01:29:58.840
me today. Yeah, thank you so much for having

01:29:58.840 --> 01:30:01.520
me. Yeah, of course. Anything that you want to

01:30:01.520 --> 01:30:03.880
shout out or let people know where they can find

01:30:03.880 --> 01:30:06.060
you? I don't know. I guess just on Instagram.

01:30:07.100 --> 01:30:09.899
That's like really the only social media I post

01:30:09.899 --> 01:30:13.520
on, so. Okay, I will link that below. Any last

01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:15.399
minute words of wisdom you want to get out there?

01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:18.399
Thoughts? I don't know. Just have fun. Keep climbing.

01:30:19.020 --> 01:30:21.789
That's what it's about. Okay. Cool. Well, thank

01:30:21.789 --> 01:30:24.329
you again. And it was awesome to chat. Yeah.

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